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Firelok
18-06-2006, 01:19
I've been tinkering with Smolensk2...
1. Both airfields now have some buildings/tents etc rather than being featureless.
2. Have removed the american lease-lend aircraft and replaced with russian aircraft.(see Algorex's post elsewhere)
3. Have reorganised blues targets around the town into a defensive tank line along the river, reducing the number of Stationary Armour t34s replacing them with static Object t34s. And organised the trucks into columns coming in to reinforce the river line. Have added a little AAA which was non-existant before.
Target Object numbers are unaltered by this.
4. This map didn't have bonus aircraft enabled for red and blue versions, Blue bonus is Bf109-F4,red bonus is Mig3 Shvak.Both are similar to their counterparts already present but better armed.
LIOZNO DEFENSIVE LINES.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/smolensk2upd.jpg

Zorin
18-06-2006, 01:30
Good alterations Fire. Especially bringing some order into the blue target area is a big plus for this map.

Would you mind posting the new planeset? I'd like to know with which aircraft you replaced the american stuff.


Oh, and aren't we discarting the bonus plane thing?

Firelok
18-06-2006, 02:03
REDS
HurricaneMkIIbMod
I-16type24
Il-2_1940_Late
Il-2_1941_Early
LaGG-3series4
MiG-3ud
MiG-3-AM-38
Yak-1
*bonus Mig-3 Shvak
BLUES
Bf-109E-7
Bf-109E-7Z
Bf-109F-2
He-111H-2
IAR81c
Ju-87B-2
Ju-88A-4
*bonus Bf-109F-4

Reds had the P40 and P39 previously swapped them for I16 and Hurri field mod, not really any other options.Hurri still might be wrong but I thought the Brits sent stuff earlier than the US, otherwise it was another type of MiG *yawn*
As for the bonus/non-bonus systems, I don't know what's happening with that maybe a different approach between the two servers(this is for UK1) and it wasn't a massive bother to do bonus versions here anyway :)

Zorin
18-06-2006, 02:33
I still would like to see the F4 as a regular against the mighty MIGs but I guess it is as good as it gets. But I thought I had seen Pe2s on this map before. Did you take them out?

RAF_WhiteEagle
18-06-2006, 09:00
Firelok.

Can u remove Hurri IIb, I -16 and Mig3 AM38 and on blue IAR.
Good that there is no P-39 and P40.
Also check brief in Smolensk2 i think targets are wrong.


I'll rebuild map(only for UKD1) Tunis, Channel44, Kotka, BobRed, Novogrod, Prokhorovka and Warszawa becouse i made them and i would like to have them like they are now.

Mainly i will lower AAA activity add new planes. Ill try to change brief insted of "Targets in A1" ill make "20km south of city"

Zorin
18-06-2006, 10:03
Yeah, the Hurri is off, but the rest is ok. You could add the MC 200 for blues as it was present aswell.

And Kaster, I would not change the brief as you intend to, that won't improve the gameplay at all.

Firelok
18-06-2006, 15:47
I already checked the breifings and they are correct.
The hurri can be removed and I suppose swapping the IAR for the MC200 is OK.
But why not have i16's? The problem here as I see it is to provide enough variety to keep folks interested.

RAF_WhiteEagle
18-06-2006, 16:14
Russian airforce use Lagg Yak and Mig at this time. I-16 was repleced by Yaks.

Algorex
18-06-2006, 20:16
Plenty of i-16s around in the eastern front 1941 IIRC. Last Polikarpov's were finally phased out of service in 1943.

Zorin
18-06-2006, 22:11
No, the IAR should stay, it was used by three squads of the romanian Grupul 8. The MC 200 was flwon by the italian 22. Gruppo Autonomo C.T.

And there were large numbers of I16 and I153 present, the newer fighters MIG, Yak and LAGG were rather rare.

NS-IceFire
18-06-2006, 22:23
IAR80 and 81 should probably be there. They were moved into the area fairly early in the battle if I remember correctly. They tangled mostly with Yaks and conducted dive bombing.

Firelok
19-06-2006, 00:48
I think there should be i16s for variety and the IARs and the MC200 aswell.
People like plane choices and as long as we aren't breakin any really big historical rules it's ok. What really matters here is will blue bombers now be encouraged to attack the targets rather than flying to vulch red base instead, as I've seen quite often on this map.

Zorin
19-06-2006, 00:56
But please, make it the I1618, the 24 cannon one already ruined the fun on Murmansk, that is why I replaced it with the Yak1.

Algorex
19-06-2006, 09:46
Not to mention ruined the finland map and i-153p with cannons isn't helping either.

Firelok
19-06-2006, 15:52
Right,BLUES IAR80,IAR81a,IAR81c are all in limited numbers. MC200 is in limited numbers. Bf109F-4 is in limited numbers,Ju88 in limited numbers.
REDS MiG-3-2xShVAK in limited numbers,I-16type18 in limited numbers, I-16type24 limited numbers. MiG-3-AM-38 very limited.

Why? because I think there plenty of people who fly red who enjoy a bit of I16s and in no way do I think of MiG's as uber planes at all.
Anyway Single map Server Commander version ready to go.