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Firelok
01-07-2006, 10:53
Seeing as how this only affects UK2 seems better to post this here.
Have altered a fair amount of Channel42.
Removed Spits airstart.
Reduced R.O.F. of ships and the removed the Veteran gun crews.
Altered the escorts to make them a bit more British.
Removed hidden U-Boats in favour of MTBs sailing from LeHavre, should give returning blue bombers a bit of AAA support on long run home.
Actually added AAA to the red's target and some Bunkers under construction along coast as part of the 'Atlantic Wall'
Beefed up AAA over blues bases.
Reduced AAA over red island base from 10x40mm Bofors to 3xBofors, 3x .50 Brownings.
Tarted up LeHavre airfield.
Swapped A20 for Mossie (It's 42' right?)
Added FW200 for colour (naval targets right?)
please howl below if you think this is all wrong :)

Firelok
01-07-2006, 11:53
I was never much of a waiter :)
Well I've managed to update another map someone else's done again.
Not going to bother anymore, will make new maps, more desert ones and early russian front both very popular :rolleyes:

Algorex
01-07-2006, 11:55
Avast, me hearties!
Why alter t' le havre airbase, thar's good twin runway concrete airbase on t' otherside o' t' river not a mile south o' it, why not use that.

Actually this be one o' t' maps that really work, targets make sense, no one's interested in attackin' t' eneme airbase just because you will collect a huge booty by bombin' t' actual targets. Planeset favours blues in t' fighters and reds on the bomber/attack deparment. Only t' scallywag spitfire airstart is more that a little hornswaggling.

Arrr!

First Mate Algore the Rough Heart.

Firelok
01-07-2006, 13:53
Avast ye lubber Algorex, Le Harve just has a few workshops added and a hospital for all dem Lufties struck down wiv da pox. Twas mainly a bit O buffin O da brassworks matey. A20 not the main choice O reds dere on Tortuga airbase, usually B25s, figure the Mossie might be fun for runnin back to port now as der Spit are ground launched.

Hark eee It'll be the black spot for ee If'n yer cross my bows ;)

Kat
06-03-2007, 09:48
Played this today on UKD2, interesting map. Was surprised when the B25's ran out althought as Firelok points out they are a late war bomber.

Personally having just the Mossie left makes it very hard for reds. We had about 4 people dedicated to hitting the targets and blues won at a canter. Not to mention that going in low made us easy meat for BnZ 190's.

I also noticed there didn't seem to be much flak over the allied base and we suffered a comparatively high amount of german loitering.

Now this is the first time I played this map so might have just been an anomoly but it did seem overly tough for the reds. Personally I would like to see the A20C for those who like level bombing or alternatively the Beaufighter but honestly thats more my love for the aircraft than knowing it served in the role in 1942. Coastal command where using them for anti-shipping in 1942, not sure about the RAF for low level attacks though.

Anyway just some musing for my first time on this map :).

Boemher
06-03-2007, 10:12
Ive played this map a lot but normally its on a half full server. When it is quieter it is easier for Reds to bomb targets. But yesterday when it was full, us bombers were getting whacked on the way in to target, directly over target and as we rtb'd ... at the end of it I was beginning to get a persecution complex! On our 2nd B25 sortie there were at least 6 Fw 190 A4s attacking us and all of the bombers died :(

T}{OR
06-03-2007, 10:17
Last time I played that map, we did a 5 ship B-25 formation. As soon as we took off, 190 was shadowing us from above our base. He positioned himself for a perfect headon, and I lost a top turret gunner. Definately put some heavy AAA guns above red base - we cannot even take off...

Firelok
06-03-2007, 22:30
So to sum all this up...

1. Unlimited B25s
2. More Base AAA (long-range)
3. Load limits for He111H6 (torpedos only maybe.)
4. Maybe look at the target balance for each side.

This maps been on the server unaltered since the server revamp early last summer and TBO no-ones point of view (and certainly experience) remains the same over time.Having a bomber fixation is all well and good but complaints about 'sniper gunners', 'uber B25s' were made a lot then, plus this then was a map reds could win within 5 minutes and that had to be addressed. Blues definately have an enormous 'ordinance advantage' in it's current form and they can destroy the ships but not many of them get back alive either.

One of the problems I have with putting in the A20C is the similarity between this map and Caen, making it work better as it is is a more suitable solution I feel. A final thought is that a lot of reds fighter cover end up working over the incoming Blue bombers rather than trying to escort.
i'll post again with a few tweaks;)

Boemher
06-03-2007, 23:25
Making this map more of a Huricane IIb/ P40 E (although I hate having this plane here) and Mossie to conduct fighter bomber sweeps against targets makes sense to me rather than a proper bomber map.

Kat
06-03-2007, 23:44
Making this map more of a Huricane IIb/ P40 E (although I hate having this plane here) and Mossie to conduct fighter bomber sweeps against targets makes sense to me rather than a proper bomber map.
Oooo hows this for an idea...

Complete revamp..

Mossie performing FB sweeps.. with FW190's doing Jabo missions in return ( might add I'm not sure if they started them in 1942 but bit of artistic license if not ).

Don't think we have (other than Monte Cassino) a map that has sides like that.

I know there isn't a LOT of room on the UK island but I'm sure Firelok can think up something.

Most Channel maps see the axis hit the shipping.

Doing it this way means we get something different from the map :).

Just an idea.

Algorex
06-03-2007, 23:59
The island is too small for an airbase and target. I think by now we can all agree that targets near airbases never truely work.

From a historical PoV the most attacks by the germans after the battle of britain were against coastal shipping.

I wouldn't make drastic changes to this map, maybe swap the limited B-25 to A-20C, make the british convoy a bit bigger and leave it at that. Just because Majordamage has been talking about a Channel Dash map which is quite close to this planeset wise.

Kat
07-03-2007, 00:18
The island is too small for an airbase and target. I think by now we can all agree that targets near airbases never truely work.
Actually when I suggested it I was fully aware of the problems of size.. so if firelok was to do this he would need some inginuity :).

Hence me saying


I know there isn't a LOT of room on the UK island but I'm sure Firelok can think up something.


From a historical PoV the most attacks by the germans after the battle of britain were against coastal shipping.
True as this is, as I understand it we're trying to add plenty of variaty to our maps so was just thinking going for a well known type of sortie which we don't cover a lot might be interesting.

Algorex
07-03-2007, 00:40
Well we are pretty good on the amount of 1942 channel area maps anyhow, considering now we have Caen, this and Hastings all situated on the period. I think you can't make the dash attack idea work any better than it's already working on hastings.

If you want to make this map more fighter-bomber oriented it's alright with me, Jabo FW can take out ships extremely efficently and making the red targets more "Rodeo" friendly would make this a quite a different map.

Firelok
07-03-2007, 10:46
Well I've updated Channel42 according to what I think best, generally along the lines posted by me earlier. I had done this before reading the above Kat / Algore exchange BTW.


Changes....
Unlimited B25s.
3 batteries of heavy AAA added to island base (there were 4 bofors already and 3 .50mm) ive added 85mm (to engage higher altitude loiterers.)
Slight tweaking of targets/convoy AAA.
He111H-6 and Ju88 are limited to max 4x500kg/torpedoes.
Bf110 is unlimited now.
Blue airfields are better protected with AAA.

I think making the Island a target would provoke exactly the sort of behavior THOR is complaining about and in general targets near an enemy base are not a good option. Channel42 is a vintage map and I'm never going to do more than tweak the edges of a classic like this. I really had my reservations last year taking out the airstarted SpitVb's.
Any amount of B25s (more so if we had A20s) are going to get hammered here because a lot of 109A4s get flown and the bombers are a lot easier to shoot at in an FW than the Spitfire, a lot of pilots who don't usually pick the FW out of choice will neverless fly one on this map.This is one of those periods when a certain aircraft really did have the upper hand (in this case the FW190)

T}{OR
07-03-2007, 10:51
Thank you! :) I look forward to flying it again.

Zorin
18-02-2009, 04:04
Please add the Me210 to Channel 42 and Channel 43. Thanks in advance :)

Zorin
20-02-2009, 22:52
Bump :)

OttO
25-08-2011, 19:08
I dont know if this a map problem or server settings.
Today on this map [I was Blue & Seldon was RED].
My location was in the H-8 area over targets and I could see the red arrow of Seldons plane as he was landing.

That is some what of a long distance away.

Firelok
26-08-2011, 08:07
I dont know if this a map problem or server settings.
Today on this map [I was Blue & Seldon was RED].
My location was in the H-8 area over targets and I could see the red arrow of Seldons plane as he was landing.

That is some what of a long distance away.

UK2 & UK3 have a much longer dotrange (the distance that planes appear as dots.) UK1 it is shorter for this very reason I suspect. The bollox red-blue arrows appear at dot range not, as one might expect, when icon range (which is shorter) appears.

seldon
26-08-2011, 15:11
This needs to be changed, in my opinion. It's very disturbing to see an arrow half a map away, as thought it's very close even when it's not.

UK1 settings are good, I think.