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Boemher
26-11-2006, 20:05
This map used to have the Fw 190 D9 44 on it now the most advanced variant is the A9, both these fighters saw service at almost the same time IIRC with the D9 actually entering service first I think?

Anyway the Mustang III and the Tempest V are flyable for Red would it be ok to add the Fw 190 D9 or remove the Mustang III?

Cheers

Firelok
26-11-2006, 23:27
This is one of those maps that I never really altered apart from a few airbase objects.
Between yo you are suggesting adding 190D9,Bf109G10,Bf109K4 to blues?

My anecdotal evidence to add to this is I often fly blue here as red is very popular and blues seem outclassed by late-war spits and Tempest combo.

I'm quite happy to try a change if you guys would like that, barring complaints here of course.

NS-IceFire
27-11-2006, 02:18
Thanks for bringing it up guys. I noticed this too.

I think what happened Firelok is that back originally when I made this map there were three versions with bonus aircraft for red and blue. Since we don't have that anymore (and its easier to balance maps without that anyways) it was probably just missed and we've added the best of the Allied stuff and somewhat ignored blue.

My suggestions are the same as everyone else. Add the FW190D-9 1944, Bf109G-10, and Bf109K-4. As per Algore's comments...I might also suggest removing the Spitfire VIII's (not many used in Europe and probably none at the actual battle - the benefits of adding them have long since past) as the IX has the same performance.

I'd also like to see fewer restrictions on plane types. Limit some of the best ones...but there's no reason to limit every Spitfire type or some of the P-47s and P-51s.

This map does then become quite a bit like some other maps so either we have to limit the Allied stable or or improve the Axis one.

Firelok
27-11-2006, 18:53
Ok I've made the changes... added planes and statics (FW190D9,Bf109G10,Bf109K4 (44 models)) and removed the SpitVIII.

As for plane restrictions i've cut right back on this and if you don't agree with my choices say so here and we'll make changes.
P38L_Late=20
P-51 D20(K-14gunsight)=20

FW190D9=20
Bf109G10=20

These are probably not going to affect the general use of these planes either 20 is a lot of Doras...

System-M-
27-11-2006, 19:35
20 Doras there is Only 10 Tempest perhaps increase them to 15?

Firelok
27-11-2006, 19:45
20 Doras there is Only 10 Tempest perhaps increase them to 15?
No you mis-understood mate, these restrictions I've quoted are 'the only' restrictions in force at the moment, no mention of Tempest's there nor Spits mate.

Boemher
27-11-2006, 19:54
Result! Cheers Firelok.

NS-IceFire
28-11-2006, 00:33
Ok I've made the changes... added planes and statics (FW190D9,Bf109G10,Bf109K4 (44 models)) and removed the SpitVIII.

As for plane restrictions i've cut right back on this and if you don't agree with my choices say so here and we'll make changes.
P38L_Late=20
P-51 D20(K-14gunsight)=20

FW190D9=20
Bf109G10=20

These are probably not going to affect the general use of these planes either 20 is a lot of Doras...
Bingo man...I think that will work nicely! :)

Yellow 2
28-11-2006, 13:48
Is this map one we could add the Arado jet bomber to when we get it? My references seem to say that the bomber version first became operational at Christmas 1944. The P.R. version has been flying since the summer. :)

Firelok
28-11-2006, 15:13
Is this map one we could add the Arado jet bomber to when we get it? My references seem to say that the bomber version first became operational at Christmas 1944. The P.R. version has been flying since the summer. :)

Well yes...and no really Yellow2. Historically yes, functionally no (or at least not sure.)
I'll explain...

Bulge's blue targets are quite lightweight indeed really and the map balance relies heavily on Reds attacking Panzer targets vs Blues having to fly a long way to hit scattered 'supply cache' type targets, the furthest is destroyable by one FW190 w. 500kg bomb and a bit of a strafe. What would concern me about the Arado is it's sheer speed/turn-around time to target on this map. It would either require some re-balancing or (an option I favour) we rely on making a 'Arado' map to deal with it's special abilities. However Remagen and Rhineland are both candidates for it's immediate inclusion I would have thought. Plus I do intend to put up an 'Alps' style map with all of the 1946 mixed-propulsion/jet planes when we get them...

NS-IceFire
28-11-2006, 23:21
Some of the other maps it might work better on...Remagen for sure. I built that map with the idea that jet bombers would be a possibility (Me-262 and Ar-234). Some other 1946 maps will surely arrive and feature that plane as part of the line up.

I think we can have some great fun with the new planes and objects.

Firelok
24-12-2006, 00:27
Right I'm going to Arado-ise this map and see how it goes maybe, put a small number on and see if it affects things radically.

Zorin
24-12-2006, 02:17
Make it like 10 but limit the bombload to smallest we have.

Yellow 2
24-12-2006, 09:28
Right I'm going to Arado-ise this map and see how it goes maybe, put a small number on and see if it affects things radically.

Thanks Firelok. Can't wait to get back on UKD2 after two weeks. All I need is Santa and Rudolph to do the business and I'm back on line. :D