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Firelok
27-11-2006, 03:46
Because we are due some exciting new Imperial Japanese Army planes I thought it would be good to have a mission ready to add these new early war aircraft.

Mostly, as far as I can figure, the Chinese Air Forces were Soviet based designs plus the AVG planes. So this is like I-16s and TB3's plus the Hawk81's of the volunteer group. Additionally the i-153 and type24 i-16 could be involved (but these guys are pretty strong.)
All of our Ki-43 types can be used as well as the new Ki-43 II and the Ki-27 when they show up. Using the G4M1-11'Betty' as a bomber, plus I don't know if the IJA used any other planes that we have (like the D3A1 "Val") or if these are solely Japanese Navy aircraft. Even so I think we have the makings of a working planeset already. I have the makings of a map to do it on now too...
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/5.jpg

Firelok
27-11-2006, 03:48
More...
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/7.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/8.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/12.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/10.jpg

Firelok
27-11-2006, 03:49
and more...
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/16.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/15.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/14.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/13.jpg

Crazyclaws
27-11-2006, 07:50
That's beautifull, when can we bomb it?? :mp5:

Chatanooga
27-11-2006, 09:35
Those targets look great, nice work matey.

Xiola
27-11-2006, 09:45
Looks cool!

What armament does the Ki43 II have?

I am looking forward to trying the N1K2, sounds like another amazing Japanese plane to go with the Ki84/J2M3

Boemher
27-11-2006, 11:17
Ki 43 II has two heavy machine guns of 12.7mm calibre or one 12.7mm and one 7.7 mm, however the Russian 7.62mm is probably a more powerful gun in IL2 and has a huge ROF and velocity advantage. Also when was the last time you set an I-16 or I-153 on fire with only machine guns?

Still this will be a great map. Love the design Firelok, but JtD has a point; will we spawn in buildings :D or is that a non active airbase?

Lol did you know that the I-16 type 18 climbs better and is a better turner than the Ki 43 II ! those Russian designers were godddamm geniouses.

Firelok
27-11-2006, 19:42
You guys.. wadda like.. :bum:
THis is a target area and flat bits that aren't wooded are pretty rare TBO.
I'm sure IJA are quite capable of pushing a lawnmower round the barracks every now and then hence it's all nice and mowed with a bit of an airstrip for the big brass.
Boemher has a point about the Type24 i-16 I thinks it's too strong for any of the available pre-42 IJA planes, ditto the i-153 aswell. Maybe this new Ki-27 is built on the same 'foundations'.However, the i-16 was the most common plane in the nationalist airforce during the 'World War' years. The only possible pre-39 match-ups we could do is Cr42s vs Ki-27s and even then the Fiats flying for the Nationalists were the in-line engined Cr32 (like Spanish Civil War.)
I think the Ki43-II might be a blinder and we could have the Ki-61Ko to 'beef up' Blues too. *edit* I've found out that Manchuria was one of the Zero's first deployments. :eek:

ForkTailedDevil
28-11-2006, 05:25
All of the Ki-43 II's have 2 hvy machine guns for armament. At least the versions we have. I am looking forward to this map. Also we can use that D3A as a sub for the Ki32 a Army Co-Op plane.

Firelok
24-12-2006, 12:14
I put this on the server for testing with the following planes....

Chinese
I-153M62=8xRS82
I-16type18
Hawk81A-2
TB-3_4M-17
CR_42
Japanese
A6M2
G4M1_11
Ki-27-Ko
Ki-27-Otsu
Ki-43-Ib
Ki-43-Ic


I decided against Ki-43II as it was a bit late for what I was planning, that is the early stages of the Flying Tigers involvement.
At the moment there are no numbers restrictions because frankly I've no idea how this will even out. i-153 worries me most TBO (it has it's rockets disabled at the moment.) You should expect this plane to be limited in numbers in the post-test version.

Zorin
24-12-2006, 12:33
Could you put in the new old japanese bombers? With the G4M1 we have a lead bomber and that way could have bomb runs without a cockpit.

Chatanooga
08-01-2007, 10:22
This is great fun on both sides, I know you have a few last min tweaks to make, but job well done matey. The Ki27 is such a nice plane to fly.

Firelok
05-07-2007, 04:47
I'm going to try out some changes here along with another attempt to fix the buggy blue targets. The blue targets had a number of barge objects containing vehicles etc but blues always ended up with 10-11 targets that couldn't be found or destroyed (a bit puzzling frankly) so I changed the targets to a more standard ship type targets in the hope that this sorts it out. But these targets aren't going to withstand the GM4 betty's bombload for long at all, so the betty is out replaced by the D3A1 and the Ki-21. A limited number of early Zeros are in too as a foil for the Hawk81As/i16's (this was the first engagement for the Zero of the war.) also the Chinese Nationalist Airforce were using Gladiators at this time so I put them in too.


RED
I-153M62=8xRS82
I-16type18
Hawk81A-2=26
TB-3_4M-17=24
CR_42
J8A
BLUE
D3A1=24
Ki-27-Ko
Ki-27-Otsu
Ki-43-Ib
Ki-43-Ic
Ki-21-II
A6M2=16

I've thinned out the objects and altered the time of day and the cloud height and density to try to clear up some of the laggy issues that strangly plague this map for some players.

Sonko
14-02-2008, 19:13
We have a problem with those landing craft:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/10.jpg

when shooting at one of them all four in a group will explode but with no effect on the game and the stats, means that when everything is destroyed SC shows 14 targets left..

if an admin could have a look at it please :)

Firelok
25-03-2008, 13:15
Shame about the landing craft but not all experiments with new target ideas work. I've altered this target to add more small individual shipping but the barges that are now present are just for 'dressing' because they are 'Objects' not 'Stationary Ships' this should fix things.

Sonko
25-03-2008, 13:19
Ah great, thank you :)

Firelok
27-03-2011, 12:16
Decided to give this a proper makeover, mainly because we have a lot more suitable planes, The I153-M53's and I16's type 18's tended to 'distort' the balance of things...

I have been doing some digging and discovered some interesting things here...
Chinese Nationalist Air Force Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_Chinese_Nationalist_air_force_(1937%E2%80%931945)#Some_of_the_Operational_Units_of_th e_Chinese_Airforce_1937-45)

Set up to have 4 bases rather than 2 close together. Close fighter bases have the majority of the slow turny planes. Further Bomber bases have faster newer planes.


RED
Fighter Base.
CW-21
I-15bis
I-16type5
I-16type6
Gladiator I (J8A)
Bomber Base.
He-111H-2 (smaller bomber only)
TB-3_4M-17 (smaller bomber only)
Hawk81A-2 (4 in flight-12 total)

BLUE
Fighter Base.
Ki-27-Ko
Ki-27-Otsu
Ki-43-Ia
Ki-43-Ib
(possibly Ki-43-Ic in limited amount)
Bomber Base.
A6M2 (4 in flight-12 total)
G4M1_11 (250kg bombs or less)


Reworked Red targets (less tanks)
Entirely remade Blue targets involving destroying a river port and some shipping.
Added army cyclists on both sides and bulldozers clearing a runway.
AI planes that could visit incl. DB-3, A4M3, P36.

Fusek
27-03-2011, 12:33
Nice one, I think this will work out alright! I'm surprised you didn't mention the SB-2, because they really shined in China with the Soviet Volunteers.

NS-IceFire
27-03-2011, 14:14
Sounds great!

I'd vote for the SB-2 as well... (instead of the Heinkel?). It may be more...accessible in the future.

Zorin
27-03-2011, 17:07
I am a bit lost here. What is this meant to represent?

Regarding the Heinkel, the Chinese had ~11 (sources differ) and they were of the A-0 series, so predating even the Condor Legion ones. They were fitted with <600hp radials and had a laughable bombload and overall performance, so nothing like the H-2.

Firelok
27-03-2011, 17:58
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/CNF.jpg
1. Heinkel is flyable at the moment and running with 24xSC70 or 32xSC50 doesn't seem that laughable.
2. SB-2 has the weirdest AI flight model ever. And one side relying on an AI bomber while the other doesn't never works well.*edit
3. TB-3's are a giant slow one-way mission death-trap and never really worked well here.
4. Zero's vs Heinkel 111's :eek:
5.We've habitually used Cr42s as Cr32s in-line as radial.

The Chinese Nationalist army really did use a wide variety of imported aircraft, most of the single-seat A/C here are now much closer to correct, if not exactly correct.
So are Chinese Nationalist Heinkels (not the right version.) as 'crazy' as Do335 'Pfeil' on the maps it appears on?
I did think I might be causing trouble by suggesting this:p
But thought, what the hell.

edit
* HSFX 5.0 does have an SB-2 pit (and it's more flyable)
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/SB2pit.jpg

NS-IceFire
27-03-2011, 18:44
Was just a thought about the SB-2... maybe later when it becomes more practical.

I see no problem with the Heinkel even if it is another version and the Cr.42 works perfectly well as a Cr.32 wherever we've done that. I would of course prefer the Cr.32...but alas there isn't one yet.

Firelok
28-03-2011, 10:57
Port facilities
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/port2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/port1.jpg

Ki 21 and SB-2 are included 'secondary' bombers after the limited Heinkels and Bettys have run out.

Firelok
31-03-2011, 19:27
Added this new version to UK2 server also have sent it out to Uk1

Fusek
31-03-2011, 19:29
I love what you did to those port facilities!

Firelok
31-03-2011, 19:37
I love what you did to those port facilities!

Please feel free to bomb the crap out of them when the opportunity offers ;)

seldon
31-03-2011, 23:33
Added this new version to UK2 server also have sent it out to Uk1

Played it for the first time today on UK1, was working OK, nice map :)

Hoodoodat
31-03-2011, 23:42
Firelok...you're a master missionist :)