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Boemher
30-11-2006, 14:33
Can we modify a desert map so there are no Bf 109 Es on it so it represents Italy vs Britain early theatre operations.

Hurricane I
Hurricane IIb
Gladiator
Blenheim ( id like to see this, its a good early war bomber, fairly tough and surprisingly fast and agile )

vs

Fiat CR 42
Fiat G 50
Macchi 200
Ju 87 limited to 500kg ( to give italians some capacity compared to Blenheim )
and possibly
Macchi 202

This seems like it would have a good balance with lots of different close matchups and some good furballs. Kind of like Spain but more balanced because both sides aircraft are compromised in one area.

Algorex
30-11-2006, 15:12
This seems like it would have a good balance with lots of different close matchups and some good furballs. Kind of like Spain but more balanced because both sides aircraft are compromised in one area.

On italians that compromise would be firepower right ;)

But yes the match up sounds fair enough.

Boemher
30-11-2006, 15:29
definitely :D

The RAFs problem would be bringing its firepower to bear and also its slower speed compared to the Macchi 200/202.

Just did some IL2 comparing and the Gladiator should own the Cr 42 !

Yellow 2
30-11-2006, 17:48
Sounds good and it would be a unique planeset. I'm all in favour. :)

Happy
30-11-2006, 18:04
102 coop server has some of these mission in MALTA map made by charliechap. real good fun, historical planeset.

this seems similar and like the malta planeset which is based on historical planeset this seems similar.

sounds like a ball

count me in

Zorin
30-11-2006, 22:42
Somewhat off topic, but I just finished an italian skin I was working on for the last month.

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/7463/3651pic1df1.jpg

Algorex
01-12-2006, 00:44
Bf-109G-2/trop? How many of those did the italians receive?

Zorin
01-12-2006, 00:49
It's actually a G4.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1330/109italydq5.jpg

EDIT: Found the info. Italy operated three squadrons with Bf 109s.

150°Gruppo Autonomo Caccia Terrestre "Gigi Tre Osei"

22 Bf 109G (6 G-2, the rest G-4 und G-6)

3°Gruppo Autonomo Caccia Terrestre "Diavoli Rossi"

23 Bf 109G-6

23°Gruppo Caccia "Vespa Arrabiata"

11 Bf 109G-6/R6

Boemher
01-12-2006, 01:36
Lovely skin mate, almost makes me want to fly a Bf 109 !

Firelok
01-12-2006, 01:55
Very very similar to the Agheila map, I abandoned the idea of setting it in a pure RegiaAeroNautica/RAF planeset because I think there might be 'popularity' problems. THe problem with Agheila (for the Italian presence) is that given the choice Blues choose a 109 invariably.
So we would be adding another early-war Desert map not sure about that...hmm.
Instead if we were going to replace an early map with this idea then I would choose Spain.(Bi-planes yes early yes but the Polikarpov fighters are really too strong for the opposition esp. the I-153.)
A lot of this planeset is similar but with the annoying unbalancing planes swapped out for the Hurricane. Gladiators vs Cr42 is a better Bi-plane matchup than Spain's Cr42s vs I-153's. A lot of the ground objects in Spain are Italian already. ;)

Boemher
01-12-2006, 02:15
Spain gives us the claim to fame that we represent 36 through to 46 tho

I really like Spain map warts and all!

stanford
01-12-2006, 18:41
Lovely skin, Zorin. Where can I get it?

Zorin
01-12-2006, 22:56
Thanks guys :) I'll upload it on m4t and FL and post the links.

Firelok
02-12-2006, 10:13
Can we modify a desert map so there are no Bf 109 Es on it so it represents Italy vs Britain early theatre operations.

Hurricane I
Hurricane IIb
Gladiator
Blenheim ( id like to see this, its a good early war bomber, fairly tough and surprisingly fast and agile )

vs

Fiat CR 42
Fiat G 50
Macchi 200
Ju 87 limited to 500kg ( to give italians some capacity compared to Blenheim )
and possibly
Macchi 202

This seems like it would have a good balance with lots of different close matchups and some good furballs. Kind of like Spain but more balanced because both sides aircraft are compromised in one area.

Rather than muck about with a Desert map that's already well recieved and enjoyed, we could re-locate this RegiaAeroNautica/RAF planeset to the Aegean...
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/cephalonia.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/ceplhalonia1.jpg
the makings of another great 'let's make Boemher happy' map perhaps...
(see also Bleckmessiah's thread about crete. etc.)

I think its woth tinkering with anyways.

TigerTalon
05-12-2006, 18:21
Yeah, great proposal! If it was up to me I'd take out HurriMkIIb and 202 as well, so what remains are only neg g cutout planes (no more 20 sec neg g BnZ avoiding). :D

Mc200/G50 vs HurriMk1 is one of best matches in the sim IMO.

Firelok
05-12-2006, 20:19
Problem is then Reds have only AI Bomber which frankly isn't good. Can't have another 'Red defend' map either so that options out so we are left with keeping HurriIIb and then need a blue plane for fairness so.. MC202. :thwak:
just one Bleneheim or Beaufort type would have made so many early maps muc less of a headache and a lot less bellyaching about bombers we haven't got a choice but to use... B25,A20,Beau. :wall:

TigerTalon
06-12-2006, 00:12
That's a valid argument... If forced to find a solution, I'd remove stuka and lock bomb on CR42, and add another AI plane to blue... Something like:

Reds:
Gladiator
Hurri Mk1
Blenheim

Blues:
Cr42 (bombs locked)
G50
Mc200
Hs129 (for example)

If hurriII will be available, IMO there will be problems with balance as it will without a shadow of a doubt be the most wanted plane on the map, keeping in mind some players wouldn't touch italian birds with a sinky rod.

However, having only AI bombers on both sides seems a high price for having a ballanced neg-g-cutout plane sets only.

Firelok
08-12-2006, 07:26
Some more pics...
REDS Harbour & Airstrip (Be a shame not to be able to Stuka this...)
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/Aegean1.jpg
BLUES Beach head Position
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/Aegean2.jpg
BLUES Troop Convoy Reinforcement.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/Aegean3.jpg
i've tried not to use too much wehrmacht to try and show the Italian nature
of Blues force but it's very difficult. Note commandeered vehicles at the beach head.
I'd probably keep the Stuka locked to a 250kg+4x50kg load I think.

Firelok
28-02-2007, 19:07
I've tweaked the target percentages on Aegean and made some other more major alterations:- P11c added as Greek airforce, shifted HurriIIbs to a different airbase and put a limit on the numbers able to be flown at any time.Need to check if this works BTW

Algorex
06-10-2008, 22:29
Sonko added the FB version of the Macchi 200