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Sonko
09-12-2006, 18:32
I would be interested in a map with the MiG-3U as the main figher for reds.
I have never seen it on any map of UKD2 which is a pity I think because I really like this one. Any suggestions how to integrate this beautiful plane?

Regards Sonko

Boemher
09-12-2006, 18:34
It used to be on Kota Red, if the Red team won the previous map they got their hands on it.

Algorex
09-12-2006, 19:09
Mig-3U is a prototype plane, only few made. Not a main fighter type really, maybe a added bonus to late war maps.

NS-IceFire
09-12-2006, 20:14
Mig-3U, the 3U in the game (there is another 3U in the game which is labeled 3ud I think), is a limited production run of 6 aircraft which were experimental and the rest of the order was later canceled. The 6 aircraft fitted a single PVO squadron in defense of Moscow. Its not known if the aircraft engaged enemy reconnaissance planes or not.

I was thinking of making a new Moscow map (the old one has long since been retired) but it'd be really hard to fit the Mig-3U on there because its very potent for its year.

Boemher
09-12-2006, 20:31
You could fit 6 on ;)

Sonko
10-12-2006, 22:56
What do you think about a map where VVS has to defend the city of Moscow?
When the time is set to very early 1943 then the six MiG-3U's would fit in!
I also think it is a good match to the BF109G2 or even FW190's. Its speed will be downgraded by its structural weakness. And instead of La5 fighters I think about Yak fighters. The only thing we need for this is the right map. How about taking the Berlin map to simulate the city? Or maybe a new one from the new addon?

Boemher
11-12-2006, 13:21
Mig 3U is a competitive plane, its effectiveness is limited by its weak structure and also its stiff controls at high speeds. So to fight you need to slow down to bring your elevator responsiveness to acceptable levels. One on one it would beat a Fw 190 A4 but on a map with lots of players its effectiveness would decrease while the Fw 190s increases exponentially.

I dont think there would be a balance issue having a speculative map where it featured as an airdefense fighter for Moscow. Maybe having airstart He 111s, Ju88s or Fw 200s escorted by Bf 110s and Bf 109 G2s with Mig 3Us and Yaks defending the airspace. With IL2s and Yaks pounding the frontline Germans troops?

Firelok
11-12-2006, 16:06
Question is... Should we have maps with the really rare and unusual on them. For example the MiG3U or the i-185. We have some maps already with stuff that wasn't really used (like the Do335) and some others that aren't in the cycle because they got planes that weren't used much(Jet stuff mostly.)
I got choked off by suggesting we used the Pe3bis somewhere but 'there were only three made...' was the arguement.
So what I'm saying is if there's a map balance, and even if we have to 'play with history' a bit should we do it? to get more use out of the product we have all bought?
I've got no problem with 'alternate' stuff because it's a minorty occurance and makes a change from the enormous amount of spitfire/Bf109/La5 maps that are about.
I think the new expansion pack means we should examine what kind of scenarios are acceptable and what arent. THis Mig3U idea is good I think, even if you say 'hey they got commissioned for general use.'
Other alternatives might include British squadrons/forces flying with the Finnish in the winter war. (This very nearly happened.)
An attack on Moscow Central Front in 1942 (like the Generals wanted) would provide the PVO regiments of Moscow (with their MiG3U and even the BI-1 :eek: ) something to do...

Sonko
26-12-2006, 00:28
What do you think about Mig3's vs 109G-6's? The Mig's are fast and the 109's are maneuverable in case of leaving the G2 out. The armament of the planes is similar, Migs can also have 20mm cannons and have a similar structural weakness like the 109.

When the FW190 will be available too, why not adding the I-185?
The Yak could be left out on this map, just like the La?

Regards, Sonko being restless:)

Yellow 2
26-12-2006, 09:21
[QUOTE=Firelok]Question is... Should we have maps with the really rare and unusual on them.

So what I'm saying is if there's a map balance, and even if we have to 'play with history' a bit should we do it? to get more use out of the product we have all bought?
I've got no problem with 'alternate' stuff because it's a minorty occurance and makes a change from the enormous amount of spitfire/Bf109/La5 maps that are about.

I think the new expansion pack means we should examine what kind of scenarios are acceptable and what arent.QUOTE]

I'm in total agreement with you Firelok. It does seem a pity that some very nice aircraft or versions of aircraft never get used. I wouldn't like to see for example 1944 aircraft used in a 1942 scenario but I do think that introducing aircraft such as the I-185 or the MiG-3U where appropriate and on a limited number of maps can't hurt. :)

Zorin
26-12-2006, 11:48
The I-185 can be used in '46 scenarios and the MIG 3U in mid-late 1943.

602RAF_Menden
26-12-2006, 12:05
maybe this page (http://www.sovietwarplanes.com/mig3/mig3/I-230.html) will help you slot some into a map :)

if you want the full history of the Mig-3 & their uses then Mig-3 (http://www.sovietwarplanes.com/mig3/mig3/mig3.html) will be of valuble help to all maps & years

602RAF_Menden

Algorex
26-12-2006, 19:30
The I-185 can be used in '46 scenarios and the MIG 3U in mid-late 1943.

Agree, i-185 is a silly plane.

NS-IceFire
27-12-2006, 14:42
It's a silly but beautiful plane. Hate to see it go to waste...I think a 1946 scenario can fit it just fine. Its plenty fast for a 1942 plane.