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Kat
26-12-2006, 13:58
Hiya Guys,

Decided to have a go at making a DF map. I've made a lot of 1 off maps to familiar with researching planes, targets etc. and setting them up. However I have some specific questions about DF Maps.

I'm looking, in this case, at a 1944 map set around April time. Normandy, Bombing armour build up's and airfields.

Now I have a few problems.

Origonally I wanted Carpiquet as the target airfield. Set as a home base without aircraft so the German's can land there but should limit vulching ( as would happen with them taking off there ) and then launching the german's fighters from elsewhere.

1) Can I have a purely Defensive map. So the German's target is purely to destroy all the enemy pilots? Is this practical?
2) Due to the lack of nearby airfields would I be better off launching from Carp and setting up a static temporary grass field as the target nearby? I'm concerned about the Allied being able to arrive over the target en-masse and obliterate it before the germans can get a CAP in place.
3) Axis Aircraft, I'm thinking a mix of late 43/early 44 109's, 190's (A6/8/9?) and the 110 (as an extra bomber intercept option) - no weapon limits, limited numbers of the 44's planes. I'm no LW expert though so was hoping some feedback on this too please :).
4) Allied Aircraft, If I use the test runway's can I setup a second airbase. I'm thinking of launching the RAF (using A20's, Beau's, Mossies, Spit IX's and Tempests ) from the main UK base on the map then the USAAF ( using B25's, and P51's (which model?) ) from the second base.
5) Flak? How much? I'm thinking of going heavy on the RAF/USAAF bases as the LW aren't meant to go there. I'm thinking of slightly heavy ( 6 20mm, 3 88) at the Airfield, plus say 4 20mm and 2 88's at the LW takeoff airport. Would put no flak at the armour buildup as it's intended that it's hidden ( bit silly to give away a position with flak ) however it's likely to be close to the airfield and possibly a town. So would get SOME flak cover from those two.

I've tried to balance the aircraft, allow people to use level bombing or rocket's for ground attack ( hence the B25 option ) but not go overboard on the variaty of types. I had considered P47's and 38's too but their roles are covered by the Mossie/Beau. I'd limit Tempests to no rockets.

Yellow 2
26-12-2006, 15:05
I've always found the Normandy map to be one of the most laggy. I suppose because of the amount of objects on it even before the aircraft and ground targets are added. Some of our map experts should be able to advise whether what you have in mind would be playable or not on the Normandy map. :)

Firelok
26-12-2006, 15:56
Normandy get used a lot, it's true, we have DDay, Channel42, Channel43, Bocage all on the Normandy map.This isn't a laggy map for me and I'm in the middle road of comp systems, I'm not sure how 'lagginess' relates to different peoples systems or grfx details.
Try not to use Test Runways if possible, just plonk all Allied aircraft on the island base.
Best advice with maps is try not to run before you can walk, don't try really involved, long flight-time missions for dogfight maps. Plus although we have a fair few pilots who really like bombing for the majority it's about shooting fighters so pay close attention to the fighter side of the map, think in terms of a main fighter vs fighter conflict. e.g. P51's vs FW190A6 ir SpitIXe vs Bf109G6Late.

Kat
26-12-2006, 22:12
I understand what your saying Firelok, are you classing the UK to Caen flight as a long one?

Is having up to 7 fighters in the mix ( 1943 109's, 43 190's, 44 109's, 44 190's, Spit IX's and P51's) too many?

What about the flak side of things?

Kat
27-12-2006, 01:44
Thanks, probably have your suggested flak around the German base but the UK one will be heavier - simply because the german base is likely to be overflown.. be a bit of a let down to be hit by flak when your not vulching.


Just need to finalise the fighters.

Bombers I'm happy with although A20 might be redundant?
B25 gives level bombing option.
Mossie and Beau are the low level attack options.

Firelok
27-12-2006, 13:04
As a guide to numbers of fighter types to have here is the .ini file planes list from our UKDed2 DDay map.


RED
B-25J-1NA
B-24J-100-CF
A-20G
P-38J
P-47D-10
P-47D-22
P-47D-27
P-51C-NT
MosquitoFBMkVI
SpitfireMkIXc
SpitfireMkIXcCLP
SpitfireMkIXe
SpitfireMkIXeCLP
SpitfireMkIXeHF
TempestMkV
BLUE
Bf-109G-6AS=10,U3R6-MG151-20
Bf-109G-14=16
Bf-109G-6_Late=R5-MK108;U3R6-MG151-20
Fw-190A-6
Fw-190A-8
Fw-190A-5165ATA
Bf-110G-2
He-111H-2
He-111H-6
Ju-87D-5
Ju-88A-4

Kat
27-12-2006, 13:50
Thanks Firelok, I'm happy with the allied side, just not 100% sure on the axis. Currently my ini file looks like :-

[PlanesArmy1]
A-20C
B-25J-1NA
BeaufighterMk21
MosquitoFBMkVI
P-51C-NT,2x1000,2x500,2x250
SpitfireMkIXe,250lb,250lb30gal,250lb45gal,250lb90gal,500lb,500lb250lb
TempestMkV,8x5,2x1000

[PlanesArmy2]
Bf-109G-6_Late,R1-SC250,R1-SC500,R2-SC50
Bf-109G-6AS=20,R1-SC250,R1-SC500,R2-SC50
Bf-110G-2
Fw-190A-6
Fw-190A-8=15

Just adding the limit's on the FW at this time.

The Mission is set 2 months prior to D-Day and involves an attack on a re-equipping airfield and also a couple of trains. Would it be ok to post the entire ini file here when I finish it for you guys to cast an expert eye over please?

Kat
27-12-2006, 13:54
Oh and one of the trains isn't strictly static. It moves for about 1 minute ( just pulls into the station ) so from the attackers PoV is allways in the same position. I made it a non-static so I didn't have to setup extra flak and because I liked the makeup of the train. If this doesn't work then no problem changing it if you think that's better.

Kat
27-12-2006, 14:47
I limited the Tempest away from ground attack because at that time of the war it wasn't in ground attack duties ( Typhoon was, not sure the Tempest ever was in wartime used in GA ) so the single seaters are escort only.

Shame about the train but not a huge problem. I'll place a pair of 20mm on the platform instead. The second train, and the associates lorries are of course all static.



It's April 1944 and the preperation for the Invasion of France is well underway.

Allied Intelligence and Spitfire Recce aircraft have detected a recent re-equipping of the St. Gatien Airfield just south of Le Havre and also a large force of armour on a train, along with a substantial fuel supply, in the Trouville Railway station. Resistance members have managed to destroy the exit tracks from the Station so they are held there for the next few hours.

RAF have freed up some Mosquito's and Beaufighters to attack the targets with an escort of Tempests and Spitfire IX's.
USAAF have made some B25's and A20C's available with P51's for escort.

Unfortunatly the Lancasters, B17 and other heavies where already committed to other Invasion support missions.

Allies Mission

Destroy 90% of the airfield in L9 and 100% of the trains and fuel bowsers in L9.

Axis must prevent this happening.


[PlanesArmy1]
A-20C
B-25J-1NA
BeaufighterMk21
MosquitoFBMkVI
P-51C-NT,2x1000,2x500,2x250
SpitfireMkIXe,250lb,250lb30gal,250lb45gal,250lb90gal,500lb,500lb250lb
TempestMkV,8x5,2x1000

[PlanesArmy2]
Bf-109G-6_Late,R1-SC250,R1-SC500,R2-SC50
Bf-109G-6AS=15,R1-SC250,R1-SC500,R2-SC50
Bf-109G-14=15,R1-SC250,R1-SC50
Bf-110G-2
Fw-190A-6,u21sc2502tank,u31sc250,u31ab250,u31sc500,u31ab500,u31sc2504sc50,u31ab2504sc50,u81sc5002tank,u81ab5 002tank,u171sc5004sc50,r11sc500,r11ab500,r6wfrgr21
Fw-190A-8=15,1sc500,r62wfrgr21