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Firelok
13-01-2007, 02:20
After a fair amount of map activity from other quarters I thought it was about time I put one up myself. I've still got quite a bit of the dull stuff to do and need to spend time making nice airfields too, but I thought what the hell post some pics...

Wehrmacht Artillery Position
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/mga2.jpg
Red Army Artillery
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/mga3.jpg
Soviet Bridging Engineers
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/Mga4.jpg
Wehrmacht Supply Depot
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/Mga.jpg

Now for the important bit..
Planeset.

VVS
LaGG-3series29
HurricaneMkIIc
P-40E-M-105
Il-2_1940_Late
Pe-3series1
Luftwaffe
Bf-109E-7/B
Bf-109F-4
He-111H-2
Ju-87B-2

Mga is South East of Leningrad near the Leningrad/Moscow highway, and was the scene of various actions to break the siege of Leningrad. Although a Ladoga Ice Road scenario is very appealing there just isn't a suitable bit of any map that I could find. So I decided to go for a nearby area.
I wanted to do a 'northern' sector planeset with the first lease-lend equipment rather than another i-16s vs F4s/Emils map.
The Pe-3 is often overshadowed by the Pe2 with it's heavier bombload so I chose that (Baltic fleet) Over 1000 HurriIIc's were sent to Russia and we haven't had any Ostfront appearances. I've kept to a lot of strafe-able targets and lessened bombload for reds (no A20,no Pe2)
The LaGG 29 is the latest fighter for Reds and has slightly less performance co mpared to the Bf109F4 which should give some balanced fights(no Vya-23mm cannon allowed though.) It's possible that the P-40 M-105 might be changed to an standard P-40E, the lease-lend planes will probably be limited.No limits on Blue;
So no Yaks no I-16s,no I-153s, no MiG's,no Pe2... :eek:

Kat
13-01-2007, 02:32
Looking good, interesting planeset :).

NS-IceFire
13-01-2007, 05:01
Great idea Firelok....mix things up a bit. I like it.

Firelok
14-01-2007, 12:23
I've done all the boring bits, brief .ini etc and have added this for testing,
Mga.mis

Happy
14-01-2007, 12:30
recon photo's look good.
would be a nice addition to the other great maps.
thanks a lot for providing the server with great maps. takes up a lot of work.

ps. may I ask a quick Q, i'm playing with a jungle airfield yet want to make it invisible so using runway 4, yet i've been told that produces an airstart.
thinking of putting 3 down then 4 on top. airfield will be recognisable through jungle clearing and some camouflaged huts and stuff. would that be feasible firelok?

Firelok
15-01-2007, 04:26
recon photo's look good.
would be a nice addition to the other great maps.
thanks a lot for providing the server with great maps. takes up a lot of work.

ps. may I ask a quick Q, i'm playing with a jungle airfield yet want to make it invisible so using runway 4, yet i've been told that produces an airstart.
thinking of putting 3 down then 4 on top. airfield will be recognisable through jungle clearing and some camouflaged huts and stuff. would that be feasible firelok?
Yeah test runway four is an airstart runway, which often just make planes crash if placed over the forest sectors. i'm not 100% sure what you're trying to achieve happy (a temporary strip like on a road?) also it sometimes happens that the other testrunways like 3 give airstarts too. Perhaps, if you are interested, PM me and we could exchange some files and I'll try and give you closer help with this.

Kat
15-01-2007, 11:53
Interesting Map, had some fun on it. Given we're 1942 any reason for a non-rear gunner IL2?

From my own personal PoV probably a little too much armour for my own liking maybe change the storage depot just to make it slightly easier to destroy?

I also understand your reason for putting the Pe3 in but it does mean - no level bombsight. The storage area especially shouts out for level bombing. Would any TB3's been around?

Firelok
15-01-2007, 12:06
After our test session last night my changes involved reducing the armour at the depot. My plans for this map revolved around getting the Pe3 in at the expense of keeping the targets soft and making the most of the direct ground attack capabilities of reds cannon armed planes. So I've no plans for a Pe2 or an A20C or a TB3 as this would involve a major rethink about the targets and would make this a more 'mainstream' Eastern front Early war map, of which TBO we have a shed-load already. There is evidence of only small scale take-up of the field-mod IL2 idea in the VVS ground attack regiments until late on in 1942, a bit harsh I'll admit but then again the Series2 IL2 is the most manouverable of the lot and blues don't have the IL2 busting Bf110 on this map, either.
*edit*
I should also add that I reduced the amount of armour at the furthest blue target too.

Algorex
15-01-2007, 12:22
Low cloud cover, snow, bigger than usual distances (for a early war map) and perhaps some fighter cover all work for the earth hugging il-2s. Also reds have the fast p-40e as a fighter-bomber. Blues really have to work as a team to get any bombs on the target (at least last night we did).

Gordano
15-01-2007, 12:34
I enjoyed this map greatly last night, until I was struck down with a mission loading screen that was!

First sortie involved an IL2 to the southern most target with bombs and rockets, marginally sucessful as the aaa took out my ailerons.

Second involved a P40 field mod with a bomb which I plonked in to the middle to supply depot and things went boom!! All was going well till Algore shot me down to make himself feel better and boost his ego!! :p

Third sortie involved a vastly superior Hawker Hurricane, and I got two rather nice kills chopping wings of 109s with a single burst of Hispano, this was until I encountered the mission loading bug and decided it was time for bed!

The only change I would like would be for either the weather or time of day to be altered slightly, ideally some low level mist or making things a little darker would be nice. Not sure if the mist can be produced without altering the time though? It is an atmospheric map already, it actually kinda feels cold flying along!!

Kat
15-01-2007, 12:34
Low cloud cover, snow, bigger than usual distances (for a early war map) and perhaps some fighter cover all work for the earth hugging il-2s. Also reds have the fast p-40e as a fighter-bomber. Blues really have to work as a team to get any bombs on the target (at least last night we did).
Strangely last night those of us on TS actually found it a bit odd. We knew there where He111's in the air.. but our fighter had a devil of a time locating you whilst meeting zero opposition to our own attacks on your targets. At the same time, despite the number of 111's, our targets where untouched.

Algorex
15-01-2007, 12:52
Strangely last night those of us on TS actually found it a bit odd. We knew there where He111's in the air.. but our fighter had a devil of a time locating you whilst meeting zero opposition to our own attacks on your targets. At the same time, despite the number of 111's, our targets where untouched.

The first Heinkel flight reached the targets on the river bank, bombs were dropped dunno about hit though. Second run was cut short by 2-4 hurricanes just of the base. I was flying a F4, escorting, intercepting and hunting down helpless admins.

Gordano I was doing about 720km/h when i started firing about 200m behind you. A clean boom and zoom manouver and beautiful hits right to your engine.

Algorex
15-01-2007, 12:59
On the il-2s

From http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/il-2.html

The first production modification of Il-2 had no rear gunner position. This was just ordered by Kliment E. Voroshilov (then Commissar and Chairman of the Red Air Force), who felt that the rear gunner position is not necessary.

Though come heavy losses from fighters in first months of the Great Patriotic War, when Il-2's were forced to operate without both escort and rear defense. Despite excellent armour and firepower of Stormovik, German fighters had enough time for multiple attacks, specially when Stormoviks were on target.

The second crewman with the gun for rear protection in production aircraft was introduced in fall 1942, in the Il-2M version. But as early as in May-June 1942 some regiments started to improvise with rear gunner position on their own, adopting turrets from old reconnaissance biplanes such as R-5;

Firelok
15-01-2007, 13:12
The only change I would like would be for either the weather or time of day to be altered slightly, ideally some low level mist or making things a little darker would be nice. Not sure if the mist can be produced without altering the time though? It is an atmospheric map already, it actually kinda feels cold flying along!!
See you have caught me out there,my time of day/weather thinking was really governed by what sort of times I've used before. here's a list...

Apennines 1.00pm (Good)
Dalmatia sunrise 5.30am (pink) Hazy
Istra 3.45am clear (starry but with a hint of dawn glow)
Dortmund 11.50am (clear)
Hastings 11.45am (clear)
Leyte 4.50pm (clear)
Citadel 2.00pm (Hazy)
Orel 2.00pm (Hazy)
Valletta 6.40pm sunset (pink) Good
Agheila 4.17pm (good)
Anapa 7.00am (clear) ground haze
Aleutians 2.45pm (snowing)
Kwantung 7.50am (Hazy) ground haze
Rhineland 7.45am sunrise (pink) Hazy
Aegean 6.45pm sunset (pink) Good
Guadalcanal 7.50am (Hazy) ground haze

This is all the maps I've made and added to to the server over the last 9 months I din't want to get stuck with people thinking I'm into making pink snowy 'candyfloss cloud maps' so I decied against making Mga a morning map.
(thus getting a bit of ground haze maybe) Setting it really late afternoon makes it very pink indeed aswell, after 4.30pm the sun has set, the clouds stay pink but the ground is an ugly washed out 'dishclothy' colour. So not liking the glare of a lunch-time snow map I've ended up 2.23pm that if you wait an hour (and believe me on all the non-constant time maps I have waited) just around when the mission is going to end you still have OK target visibility. By then the sun is often glinting through clouds that have an encouraging whiff of peach about them.

I may not be able to fly or shoot but no beggar can accuse me of not lavishing attention on all-important scene-setting. Get the sunrise just right and you can chuck any old planes on :eek: :D
p.s. someone poke Gordano, I've bored him to sleep talking about cloud-tweaking. :)

NS-IceFire
15-01-2007, 15:24
Thank you for not making it pink. We've got enough. I wouldn't mind doing...actually a light clouds 12:00 noon map...just to make fun of myself making fun of the people who love those maps :D