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Firelok
24-02-2007, 01:35
If ever there was a map that provoked a love-hate reaction on Uk2 it's Spain.

At it's best it has produced tight low level 'knife-fighting' combats especially before the Cr42 was given the same inneffective MGs as all the other Italian birds. Personally I really don't like the Desert map location for it and I'm in agreement with how frustrating it can be to fly Blue of this map.
So I'm proposing an entirely new version of the Spanish Civil War scenario....
Nationalist (Blue) Artillery Positions/HQ.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/catalunia1.jpg
Nearby Town...
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/catalunia2.jpg
Nationalist Positions (another angle)
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/firelokc/catalunia3.jpg


RED
J8A (Gladiator)
i16type18
i153M
BLUE
Bf109E4
Cr42
FiatG 50
Ju87B2

Putting bigger bombers in is a possibilty but this means Reds have to use an AI bomber (again) as their main bomber as opposed to the He111 that blue could use. I'd prefer to keep things single engined if possible. KaikinGol map seems a much better look for 'Spain' than the 'Desert' map in my opinion.
I've not worked up the Republican positions yet to be worthy of taking screenies (The town isn't a target BTW it's just scenery)

So there you go, what do you think?

Zorin
24-02-2007, 01:40
I LOVE the town and I thank you on my knees for the Bf 109 Fire. :fluffle:

Only question I have: Is that a nationalistic apple plantation? :D

Firelok
24-02-2007, 08:36
I looked at it and thought oranges myself but yeah some sort of orchard.
I hope this one works I have concerns about the KaikinGol map scale.

LeVola
24-02-2007, 11:18
Italian mgs in Fiat G.50 are great. 12.7mm or something like that. Very effective vs. p40, hurris etc...

MajorDamage
24-02-2007, 12:45
You can almost hear the strains of Rodrigo's Guitar Concerto...:D

Looks very pretty. Is it going to be a bit tough keeping teams even given the I16/109E matchup?

NS-IceFire
24-02-2007, 23:33
The I-16 is nearly as fast as the 109E and far more agile. So I think most guys will go for the I-16 if they are new and the 109E if they know what they are doing.

Is that what you meant or the other way around? :D

I love the new map concept. This will be far more interesting and will look great!

Algorex
25-02-2007, 00:10
i-153 is the top dog, it's amazing.

Zorin
25-02-2007, 00:14
Are you planing to limit any of the planes?

Firelok
25-02-2007, 10:12
Are you planing to limit any of the planes?

Probably the i-153 (maybe 12) and the Bf109E4 (maybe 20)

MajorDamage
25-02-2007, 11:53
The I-16 is nearly as fast as the 109E and far more agile. So I think most guys will go for the I-16 if they are new and the 109E if they know what they are doing.

Is that what you meant or the other way around? :D

I love the new map concept. This will be far more interesting and will look great!

Umm I don't know, which way round did you mean? :D I was just wondering if the 109, with it's superior speed and climb, might be everyone's favourite. But you're right, there will always be those that prefer the twisty-turny planes.

I'm off to go and look for some Spanish Civil War skins :)

Firelok
25-02-2007, 12:17
Found a nice site with pics of aircraft involved, what may have been involved and what aircraft were not involved (quite a bit of controversy about the i-153 and the Cr42) although obviously we are using a lot of later replacement versions of planes in our 'homage' rather than a simulation of the war.
http://www.zi.ku.dk/personal/drnash/model/spain/did.html

Firelok
25-02-2007, 14:21
I've added this to the server for testing.
Planeset is almost exactly the same as Spain, the Mc200 is missing as I could see no reason for it being present along with the G.50.

Restrictions are,
i-153 = 16 (no rockets)
Bf109E4=20
He111H2=12
Ju87B2=1xSC500;1xSD500;1xAB500;1xAB250;1SC1000 (no bombs over 250kg and no AB bombs)

Would quite like to have the U2VS added to both sides as a stand in for the
Aero A-101 (used by Nationalist and Republicans) and to up the bi-plane quotient.But I can't work out the AI code for it yet (or I'm too think.)

NS-IceFire
25-02-2007, 16:33
Umm I don't know, which way round did you mean? :D I was just wondering if the 109, with it's superior speed and climb, might be everyone's favourite. But you're right, there will always be those that prefer the twisty-turny planes.

I'm off to go and look for some Spanish Civil War skins :)
Usually everyone says the E-4 is proked an the I-16 is uber because the speed is actually relatively close for the two types of I-16s we have (the Type 10's were dogs, but the Type 16 and Type 24 we have are the best of the I-16) but people assume "Russian is teh crap!" and complain bitterly when their superior 109E is blasted from the sky.

The reality is that the E-4 still holds tremendous advantage in the vertical.

I'm just saying that this will be the typical whine...seen it in the past :)

MajorDamage
25-02-2007, 17:30
Would quite like to have the U2VS added to both sides as a stand in for the
Aero A-101 (used by Nationalist and Republicans) and to up the bi-plane quotient.But I can't work out the AI code for it yet (or I'm too think.)

When you say AI code do you mean the name to use in the mis file? If so that would be U-2VS.

That link to the aircraft list is great BTW.

Firelok
25-02-2007, 18:59
When you say AI code do you mean the name to use in the mis file? If so that would be U-2VS.

That link to the aircraft list is great BTW.

Sure I tried something like this,but will give it a go thanks.
How did you extract it? from an added aeroplane flight?

MajorDamage
25-02-2007, 21:56
Sure I tried something like this,but will give it a go thanks.
How did you extract it? from an added aeroplane flight?

Cut and paste from the folder names in the skins folder. Or you can make a little coop map with a flight and look at the mis file to see what name it generates.

Veta
25-02-2007, 22:06
Cut and paste from the folder names in the skins folder.They differ from what is required. Here is the data from SC on UKD2.

A_20G A-20G
B_17D B-17D
B_17E B-17E
B_17F B-17F
B_17G B-17G
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B_25G1 B-25G-1NA
B_25H1 B-25H-1NA
B_25J1 B-25J-1NA
BEAU21 BeaufighterMk21
BLENHEIM4 BlenheimMkIV
BI_1 BI-1
BI_6 BI-6
F2A_B339 BuffaloMkI
C_47 C-47
IL_4_DB3B DB-3b
IL_4_DB3M DB-3M
IL_4_DB3T DB-3T
IL_4_DB3F DB-3F
F2A2 F2A-2
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F4F4 F4F-4
F4F_FM2 FM-2
F4U1A F4U-1A
F4U1C F4U-1C
F4U1D F4U-1D
F4UCORSAIR1 CorsairMkI
F4UCORSAIR2 CorsairMkII
F4UCORSAIR4 CorsairMkIV
F6F3 F6F-3
F6F5 F6F-5
G_11 G-11
HurricaneMkIIb HurricaneMkIIb
HurricaneMkIIc HurricaneMkIIc
HurricaneMkIIbMod HurricaneMkIIbMod
I_153_M62 I-153M62
I_153P I-153P
I_16TYPE18 I-16type18
I_16TYPE24 I-16type24
I_16TYPE24DRONE I-16type24_SPB
I_185M71 I-185M-71
I_185M82A I-185M-82A
IL_2_1940Early Il-2_1940_Early
IL_2_1940Late Il-2_1940_Late
IL_2_1941Early Il-2_1941_Early
IL_2_1941Late Il-2_1941_Late
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IL_2MEarly Il-2M_Early
IL_2MLate Il-2M_Late
IL_2T Il-2T
IL_2Type3 Il-2_3
IL_2Type3M Il-2_M3
IL_4_IL4 Il-4
IL_10 Il-10
LAGG_3SERIES4 LaGG-3series4
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LAGG_3SERIES35 LaGG-3series35
LAGG_3IT LaGG-3IT
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LA_5 La-5
LA_5F La-5F
LA_5FN La-5FN
LA_7 La-7
LA_7B20 La-73xB20
LI_2 Li-2
MBR_2AM34 MBR-2-AM-34
MIG_3EARLY MiG-3
MIG_3UD MiG-3ud
MIG_3UB MiG-3-2xUB
MIG_3SHVAK MiG-3-2xShVAK
MIG_3AM38 MiG-3-AM-38
MIG_3U MiG-3U
MOSQUITO4 MosquitoBMkIV
MOSQUITO6 MosquitoFBMkVI
P_11C P_11c
P_36A3 P-36A-3
P_36A4 P-36A-4
P_38J P-38J
P_38L P-38L
P_38LLate P-38L_Late
P_400 P-400
P_39D1 P-39D1
P_39D2 P-39D2
P_39N P-39N1
P_39Q1 P-39Q-1
P_39Q10 P-39Q-10
P_40SUKAISVOLOCHHAWKA2 Hawk81A-2
P_40SUKAISVOLOCHB P-40B
P_40SUKAISVOLOCHC P-40C
P_40SUKAISVOLOCH2A TomahawkMkIIa
P_40SUKAISVOLOCH2B TomahawkMkIIb
P_40E P-40E
P_40EM105 P-40E-M-105
P_40M P-40M
P_47D10 P-47D-10
P_47D22 P-47D-22
P_47D27 P-47D-27
P_47D P-47D
P_51B P-51B-NA
P_51C P-51C-NT
P_51D5NT P-51D-5NT
P_51D20NA P-51D-20NA
P_51CM MustangIII
P_63C P-63C
PBN1 PBN-1
PE_2SERIES1 Pe-2series1
PE_2SERIES84 Pe-2series84
PE_2SERIES110 Pe-2series110
PE_2SERIES359 Pe-2series359
PE_3SERIES1 Pe-3series1
PE_3BIS Pe-3bis
PE_8 Pe-8
R_10 R-10
SB_2M100A SB_2M-100A
SB_2M103 SB_2M-103
SBD3 SBD-3
SBD5 SBD-5
SEAFIRE3 SeafireMkIII
SEAFIRE3F SeafireFMkIII
SPITFIRE5B SpitfireMkVb
SPITFIRE5BCLP SpitfireMkVbCLP
SPITFIRE5BLF SpitfireMkVbLF
SPITFIRE5BLFCLP SpitfireMkVbLFCLP
SPITFIRE5C2 SpitfireMkVc
SPITFIRE5C4 SpitfireMkVc4xH
SPITFIRE8 SpitfireMkVIII
SPITFIRE8CLP SpitfireMkVIIICLP
SPITFIRE9C SpitfireMkIXc
SPITFIRE9CCLP SpitfireMkIXcCLP
SPITFIRE9E SpitfireMkIXe
SPITFIRE9ECLP SpitfireMkIXeCLP
SPITFIRE9EHF SpitfireMkIXeHF
SPITFIRE925LBS SpitfireMkIX25lbs
SU_2 Su-2
TEMPEST5 TempestMkV
TB_3_4M_17 TB-3_4M-17
TB_3_4M_34R TB-3_4M-34R
TB_3_4M_34R_SPB TB-3_4M-34R_SPB
TBF1 TBF-1
TBF1C TBF-1C
TBM3 TBM-3
TBM3AVENGER3 AvengerMkIII
TU_2S Tu-2S
U_2VS U-2VS
YAK_1 Yak-1
YAK_1B Yak-1B
YAK_3 Yak-3
YAK_3P Yak-3P
YAK_7A Yak-7A
YAK_7B Yak-7B
YAK_7BPF Yak-7BPF
YAK_9 Yak-9
YAK_9B Yak-9B
YAK_9D Yak-9D
YAK_9M Yak-9M
YAK_9K Yak-9K
YAK_9T Yak-9T
YAK_9U Yak-9U
YAK_9UT Yak-9UT
P_80A P-80A

A6M2 A6M2
A6M2_21 A6M2-21
A6M2N A6M2-N
A6M3 A6M3
A6M5 A6M5
A6M5A A6M5a
A6M5B A6M5b
A6M5C A6M5c
A6M7_62 A6M7_Model62
A6M7_63 A6M7_Model63
AR_196A3 Ar-196A-3
B5N2 B5N2
F2A_B239 B-239
BF_109E4 Bf-109E-4
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BF_109E7 Bf-109E-7
BF_109E7NZ Bf-109E-7Z
BF_109F2 Bf-109F-2
BF_109F4 Bf-109F-4
BF_109G2 Bf-109G-2
BF_109G6 Bf-109G-6
BF_109G6Late Bf-109G-6_Late
BF_109G6AS Bf-109G-6AS
BF_109G10 Bf-109G-10
BF_109G14 Bf-109G-14
BF_109K4 Bf-109K-4
BF_109K4C3 Bf-109K-4C3
BF_109Z Bf-109Z
BF_110C4 Bf-110C-4
BF_110C4B Bf-110C-4B
BF_110G2 Bf-110G-2
BLENHEIM1 BlenheimMkI
D3A1 D3A1
DO_335A0 Do-335A-0
FI_156 Fi-156
FW_189A2 Fw-189A-2
FW_190A4 Fw-190A-4
FW_190A5 Fw-190A-5
FW_190A5165ATA Fw-190A-5165ATA
FW_190A6 Fw-190A-6
FW_190A8 Fw-190A-8
FW_190A9 Fw-190A-9
FW_190D9 Fw-190D-9
FW_190D9LATE Fw-190D-9_Late
TA_152H1 Ta-152H-1
FW_190F8 Fw-190F-8
FW_190A8MSTL Fw-190A-8Mistel
FW_200C3U4 FW-200C-3U4
CR_42 CR_42
G50 G_50
G4M1_11 G4M1_11
G4M2E G4M2E
GLADIATOR1 GladiatorMkI
GLADIATOR2 GladiatorMkII
GO_229A1 Go-229A-1
H8K1 H8K1
HE_111H2 He-111H-2
HE_111H6 He-111H-6
HE_111Z He-111Z
HE_162A2 He-162A-2
HurricaneMkIa HurricaneMkI
HS_129B2 Hs-129B-2
HS_129B3Wa Hs-129B-3/Wa
IAR_80 IAR80
IAR_81A IAR81a
IAR_81C IAR81c
J2M3 J2M3
J2M5 J2M5
GLADIATOR1J8A J8A
JU_52_3MG4E Ju-52/3mg4e
JU_52_3MG5E Ju-52/3mg5e
JU_87B2 Ju-87B-2
JU_87D3 Ju-87D-3
JU_87D5 Ju-87D-5
JU_87G1 Ju-87G-1
JU_88A4 Ju-88A-4
JU_88MSTL Ju-88Mistel
KI_43_IA Ki-43-Ia
KI_43_IB Ki-43-Ib
KI_43_IC Ki-43-Ic
KI_43_II Ki-43-II
KI_43_IIKAI Ki-43-II-Kai
KI_46_OTSU Ki-46-Otsu
KI_46_OTSUHEI Ki-46-Otsu-Hei
KI_46_RECCE Ki-46-Recce
KI_61_IKO Ki-61-I-Ko
KI_61_IHEI Ki-61-I-Hei
KI_61_IOTSU Ki-61-I-Otsu
KI_84_IA Ki-84-Ia
KI_84_IB Ki-84-Ib
KI_84_IC Ki-84-Ic
KI_100_IKO Ki-100-I-Ko
L2D L2D
MC_200_1 MC-200series1
MC_200_3 MC-200series3
MC_200_7 MC-200series7
MC_200_7FB MC-200series7FB
MC_202 MC-202
MC_202_3 MC-202_III
MC_202_7 MC-202_VII
MC_202_12 MC-202_XII
MC_205_1 MC-205_I
MC_205_3 MC-205_III
ME_163B1A Me-163B-1a
ME_210CA1 Me-210Ca-1
ME_210CA1ZSTR Me-210Ca-1ZSTR
ME_262A1A Me-262A-1a
ME_262A1AU4 Me-262A-1aU4
ME_262A2A Me-262A-2a
ME_321 Me-321
ME_323 Me-323
MS406 MS406
MS410 MS410
MSMORKO MS-Morko
MXY_7 MXY-7-11
N1K1J N1K1-J
N1K1JA N1K1-Ja
N1K2JA N1K2-Ja

YAK_9TALBERT Durand_Yak-9T
I_16TYPE24SAFONOV Safonovs_I-16_24
MIG_3POKRYSHKIN Pokryshkins_MiG-3
P_39NPOKRYSHKIN Pokryshkins_P-39N1
P_39Q15RECHKALOV Rechkalovs_P-39Q15
LA_7KOJEDUB Kojedubs_La-7

BF_109G6GRAF Graf_Bf-109G-6
BF_109G6HARTMANN Hartmann_Bf-109G-6
JU_87G2RUDEL Hans_Rudels_Ju-87G-2
BF_109G6HEPPES Heppes_Bf-109G-6
BF_109G6KOVACS Kovacs_Bf-109G-6
BF_109G6MOLNAR Molnar_Bf-109G-6
BF_109G10FABIAN Fabian_Bf-109G-10
ME_262A1ANOWOTNY Nowotnys_Me-262A-1a

A_20C A-20C
A5M4 A5M4
B6N2 B6N2
KI_21_I Ki-21-I
KI_21_II Ki-21-II
KI_27_KO Ki-27-Ko
KI_27_OTSU Ki-27-Otsu

I_250 I-250
LAGG_3RD LaGG-3RD
LA_7R La-7R
MIG_9_I_300 MiG-9protoF-2
MIG_9FS MiG-9FS
YAK_3VK107 Yak-3VK-107
YAK_3R Yak-3R
YAK_15 Yak-15
AR_234B2 Ar-234B-2
DO_335V13 Do-335V-13
TA_152C Ta-152C
HE_162C He-162C
HE_162B He-162B
HE_LERCHE3 He-L-IIIB2
ME_262HGII Me-262HG-II
TA_183 Ta-183

Firelok
25-02-2007, 23:56
Ok we tested this it seems Ok, the heavily popular Condor Legion base (i.e. 109s /Heinkels) was a bit rammed. Going to swap this over to the west base. Reds need more targets here, although that said the large Blue bomber formation bombed the crap out of an innocent town rather than the actual truck column half a grid beyond it.I'm pretty sure virtual civilian casualties where high.

One comment that made me laugh out loud was...
'If the blues have got Bf109e we should have the i-16 type24'
:eek:
You don't have to be mad to work here but it helps:D :rolleyes:

Algorex
26-02-2007, 00:29
http://www.artinthepicture.com/index/guernica.jpeg

Zorin
26-02-2007, 01:34
http://www.artinthepicture.com/index/guernica.jpeg

Guernica, a true masterpiece by Picasso.

Firelok
26-02-2007, 10:24
Yep, no arguments from me there.
I resisted the temptation to make the walled town a points target because of this,I like the KaikinGol map but it just doesn't give the impression that anyone lives there at all so quite a lot of scenery got added.

MajorDamage
26-02-2007, 11:30
I guess if you go to all the trouble of making a whole town some vandal is just bound to come along and bomb it eh?

After some hunting I found some SCW skins:

http://www.checksix-forums.com/showthread.php?t=116159
(Massive 100mb campaign pack. Loads of skins. Click the link in the first post)

http://il2mania.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=70&func=fileinfo&parent=category&filecatid=67
(Skin pack for ILDCG campaign)

http://il2mania.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=70&filecatid=80&func=fileinfo
(Fiat CR32 also for ILDCG)

http://www.il2mania.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=70&filecatid=93&func=fileinfo
(More ILDCG skins - including an 'interesting' Ki61 as the He112)

*EDIT* ooh just installed these and went through them all. They're fantastic, especially the biplanes.

Firelok
26-02-2007, 11:41
RED
I-153M62=16,8xRS82
I-16type18
J8A
SB_2M-103=16
U-2VS
BLUE
Bf-109E-4=20
CR_42
G_50
He-111H-2=12
Ju-87B-2=12,1xSC500;1xSD500;1xAB500;1xAB250;1SC1000
U-2VS


I've uploaded this version, I've tweaked the spawn points (all aircraft are available from either base.) added the U2 for both sides (Aero A-101 ) used an earlier version of the SB (the other one had 2x500kg bombs which made things a little unbalanced.)
Heinkels and Ju87s are limited so if they get used up blues have to rely on the Cr42 and U-2VS.I've altered the make-up of the targets making things slightly tougher for reds. I'm not sure if it would have been a lot closer objective-wise if the organised blue Heinkel formation had bombed the Army rather than the town on their first run. Needs testing again now,damn.:D

Happy
26-02-2007, 19:13
I'm not sure if it would have been a lot closer objective-wise if the organised blue Heinkel formation had bombed the Army rather than the town on their first run. Needs testing again now,damn.:D

the town looked really good, Guernica all over. now as I was in a fighter and didn't see that close to the ground, did you put the army in the town, or would that be an option. sure looked great when that big formation dropped it's bombs. Even low to spot the target due to clouds.

it was great fun, even learned that my emil was prone to overheating in a major way even on a cruising setting the message came up more then I can remember.

T}{OR
26-02-2007, 19:55
... although that said the large Blue bomber formation bombed the crap out of an innocent town rather than the actual truck column half a grid beyond it.I'm pretty sure virtual civilian casualties where high.

:rolleyes: Almost wet myself... :D - Sorry about that. I wasn't sure what the target was in the first place, and amongst those clouds it seemed to me like F7 locked onto that city. After we dropped to 1000m for a bomb run, I saw the real targets but decided to bomb the city anyway. We don't get large formations often... :)
We were loaded with 20xSC70's, I simply couldn't resist...:mp5: :D

Anyway, here are some screenies:
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/3988/spain1qw3.th.jpg (http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spain1qw3.jpg)http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8295/spain2ht5.th.jpg (http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spain2ht5.jpg)http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/5114/spain3ih3.th.jpg (http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spain3ih3.jpg)

And a track:
RAPIDSHARE (http://rapidshare.com/files/18431153/He111H2-SpainCivilWar.rar.html)

FILEFRONT (http://files.filefront.com/He111H2_SpainCivilWarrar/;6816218;;/fileinfo.html)

PS: We weren't lined up properly for scattered targets like that convoy - next time => line astern and we're bombing the whole road. :D

lewilewi
26-02-2007, 20:44
:cool: that run was a good'n

Firelok
27-02-2007, 00:01
Well kaikingol seems to be the hottest ever map. It's too hot for Red U2's to even reach the targets lol (this also takes over 10mins) Haven't had chance to fly an emil here yet but a lot of overheatings reported.

The town doesn't have targets but it does have one single AA machine gun, guess THOR's F7 locked onto this. The town is just scenery, didn't want a reputation of just being a 'column of tanks' mapper:D Plus hiding under that town is another much more 'Mongolian' village that needed dealing with visually.

Kat
27-02-2007, 00:08
Well kaikingol seems to be the hottest ever map. It's too hot for Red U2's to even reach the targets lol (this also takes over 10mins) Haven't had chance to fly an emil here yet but a lot of overheatings reported.

The town doesn't have targets but it does have one single AA machine gun, guess THOR's F7 locked onto this. The town is just scenery, didn't want a reputation of just being a 'column of tanks' mapper:D Plus hiding under that town is another much more 'Mongolian' village that needed dealing with visually.
Yeah there's definatly a F7 lock in the town but the secondary lockon is easy to find and locate the correct targets.

The He111's overheat here two, only just dragged mine back to base with one engine @ 70% throttle.

Zorin
27-02-2007, 00:13
Maybe a change of daytime would do the trick? Early morning maybe?

T}{OR
27-02-2007, 00:16
The He111's overheat here two, only just dragged mine back to base with one engine @ 70% throttle.

?!?!?!?!? Never got an overheat in He-111H2.... Use radiators on full if you don't. And more than 100% really isn't needed...

Strange...

Kat
27-02-2007, 00:41
?!?!?!?!? Never got an overheat in He-111H2.... Use radiators on full if you don't. And more than 100% really isn't needed...

Strange...

I was having to throttle back to 75% to cool them ( I allways fly on open rads ) and on return journey had an engine dead due to flak.

Zorin
27-02-2007, 16:20
Made a little test with the Do which has a Free Air Temperature Gauge.

First of all, changing the time of day has no effect on the temperature, same for the weather setting.

Khalkin Gol: 0m = 40 5000m = 5

Online MT: 0m = 28,5 5000m = -7

Desert Online: 0m = 22,5 5000 = -10

T}{OR
27-02-2007, 16:57
Then this overheating is related to the map...

Firelok
28-02-2007, 10:47
Been experimenting with the Bf109e4 here and it's possible to keep things under control temperature-wise for quite a long time.
1.Fully open rads on on spawning.
2.Throttle back after take-off to about 70-75%.( Plus if your the sort of pilot who mucks with prop pitch this on about 60.)
3.Climb gently. (As Zorins pointed out, things are a lot cooler at 2000m+)

It's possible to stay cool (a shade under 80 Celcius) for at least 30 minutes cruising.

BTW I was looking at some web-sites related to the Summer climate in Central/Southern Spain because of all this. 32-35 C average isn't unlikely and there have been reports of over 45 C in parts of Andalucia.

Essentially this is a problem we'll have to fly around :wall: , even with it I think Catalunia is viable.

T}{OR
28-02-2007, 11:29
Extra challenge for us pilots - sounds fun! :)

Kat
28-02-2007, 11:32
I'm truly amazed that the two desert maps are not this hot.

I'm guessing you went in at like 2000m Thor, I was down at 200m.

T}{OR
28-02-2007, 17:28
I'm guessing you went in at like 2000m Thor, I was down at 200m.

No, both times I played that map I was in He-111H2 most of the time @ 1000m - just bellow clouds so I can spot targets.

On that Heinkel formation run we went to 2000m but didn't stay there for long because you can't see nothing. ;)

MajorDamage
28-02-2007, 17:58
Weird that the desert maps have such low temperatures. 40c is certainly not unreasonable for Spain but it's a shame it makes the U-2VS utterly unflyable. Unless perhaps you gave them airstarts right on the front lines...

Zorin
28-02-2007, 18:19
Well, it is not as weird because they are both coastal maps. The temperatures in those areas usually are more moderated.

But as Khalkin Gol represents central Manchuria the way it is depicted in the game is correct. Very cold winters and hot summers, typical for continental weather. At least in that region. Further south things change as we are getting closer to the ocean again.

Firelok
28-02-2007, 18:33
Ooh I forgot sorry.
THere are two new airfields just for either sides U2's (plus J8A/Cr42 repectively) off to the west of the map.
Look on them as Artillery support, theres no airdefence at either one BTW. It would just interfere with the targets. Longer distance bombing will have to be done by the He111 or the SB M103.

As a map it does function(temperature problems aside), is it a successful Spain replacement is the question.

DD_Rattler
28-02-2007, 20:22
Guernica, a true masterpiece by Picasso.

Masterpiece. One of my favorites of his work.