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MD_SCORPION
01-08-2007, 21:26
i just played a map called crimea44 and have to say the plane set is tottaly one sided...
the map might be acurate to a history point of view but the flight models are not.. so the correct tactics cannot be used.. for example the p39 Q1 looses its wings at only 350 mph where as the older n1 doesent..jsut a few tweaks to make it more even and it would be fine but if u watch it i bet the blue win every time..

and it one of those maps where 95% of players go blue as soon as the map loads .... i wonder why??...

KaiserB_uk
01-08-2007, 22:47
When I joined I had to go blue as they were short ~4 players...the P39 is a bit of a demon if flown well - I was in a G6-late and had trouble with the P39s except I kept meeting pilots who were willing to give up their alt advantage at the drop of a hat and try and outturn me...

Firelok
02-08-2007, 06:03
http://il2hq.com/stats_uk2/il2sc_stat/index.php?navigation=map/874/index.html

THis is the stats page from Crimea44 for this evening when you spent most of it moaning. 30 kills for red 39 for blue seems pretty close to me. I wanted to fly red at the start, I'm always forced to fly blue on this map. I didn't get the chance again this time. I think the P39 Q1 and P39 N1 are hard planes to shoot down on this map TBO, not as hard a La5FN's tho;) I've also seen some guys do things in a P39 that are frankly amazing, I think maybe it's an aircraft that some specialise in and do very well, it's not one you can chuck about the sky any old how.

I'm sure Sonko who made the map will give us his opinion in due course but for the moment I don't think it's so unbalanced that it needs changes. Thanks for taking the time to give us your opinions though.

MajorDamage
02-08-2007, 09:00
just a few tweaks to make it more even and it would be fine but if u watch it i bet the blue win every time..

Do you have any suggestions as to how it should be tweaked? By adding an LA5 perhaps?

I thought this was an excellent map - first time I've played it. I was flying the P39 N and didn't feel at all hard done by. BTW according to IL2 compare it will out turn a G6 if kept at about 300 km/h, so on this map it's actually a turn fighter!

FlyingFinn
02-08-2007, 09:17
Add La-5FN and Yak-3, then it will be one sided ;)

Nah, but really we should get people more excited rather than just say "Eww, red's gotta only poop yak/p-39 planes and no la-5s! I'm gonna go blue and fly my easy-piecy 109 and ownz some yak noobs:D:D:D"

They're good planes, people just don't know it because all they fly is them uber crafts and have had a couple bad experiences with the "poor" planes.

OR maybe they're just too afraid to ruin their amazing k/d ratios etc.

bah :rolleyes:

stanford
02-08-2007, 09:27
P-39 is an amazing plane when flown well. You *can* turn with a 109 for a while. Long enough to do enough damage, that is. That nose cannon is a beast. So long as you don't stall the bloody thing, you're all good.

Ever since I saw the beauty fly at Duxford I've been more drawn it it. It's a weird mixture of modern under-carriage and stubby looks. I love the thing!

zav
02-08-2007, 15:03
P-39 is an amazing plane when flown well. You *can* turn with a 109 for a while. Long enough to do enough damage, that is. That nose cannon is a beast. So long as you don't stall the bloody thing, you're all good.

Ever since I saw the beauty fly at Duxford I've been more drawn it it. It's a weird mixture of modern under-carriage and stubby looks. I love the thing!

Agreed 100%/ Yesterday i was on this map, took p-39q with 250-kg bomb in every sortie... and as result: http://il2hq.com/stats_uk2/il2sc_stat/index.php?navigation=pilots/4338/allair/index.html ...it's really "red" map :D

BBB_Hyperion
02-08-2007, 15:41
P39 isn't bad at all. You can do some vertical maneuvers that the 109 can't do .
Only at lower speeds the 109 can hold it against it. But of course you are in the situation of an energy fighter you need time to climb the 109 less . Exactly opposite as usually for red side. The disadvantage of this sim is that planes with high climbrate can always gain alt advantage from start over the other team(as everyone knows without e lost). In case of the p39 it is deadly cause when you are forced to engage in low e state you can't run like a 190 the plane is just too slow. You cant turn either for long so it is quite a challenge to fly in such situations. Luckily there are so many pilots that make errors when they fly or just for the fun of it that this is not always a lose-lose situation. Only with good teamwork some disadvantages can be unmade.

irish
02-08-2007, 19:23
wierd. I felt cheated because i had to fly Blue due to team inbalence. i really wanted to fly the P39Q. Go figure:D

[DH]Chris89
02-08-2007, 19:47
the P-39 is one of the best fighters :D the 109's tail doesn't like it's cannon :D

MD_SCORPION
02-08-2007, 21:34
:wall: the tweak i would sugest is to add the p39Q10.. a small change but the Q10 seems to fly better..

and given a choice i would have rather flown blue on that map... so next time its on maybe i'll ask if anybody wants to swop..:o :fluffle:

Boemher
02-08-2007, 22:03
Agreed 100%/ Yesterday i was on this map, took p-39q with 250-kg bomb in every sortie... and as result: http://il2hq.com/stats_uk2/il2sc_stat/index.php?navigation=pilots/4338/allair/index.html ...it's really "red" map :D

Hi zav :fluffle:

Too many noob's on UK2 M8...too many

MajorDamage
02-08-2007, 22:30
I'd like to point out that Boehmer is of course being ironic with the use of the word 'noob' which is not a term we normally use on this forum or on the servers. New players are vital to the game and the community, and are always welcome. Skill level is irrelevant compared with attitude.

Boemher
02-08-2007, 22:35
I'd like to point out that Boehmer is of course being ironic with the use of the word 'noob' which is not a term we normally use on this forum or on the servers. New players are vital to the game and the community, and are always welcome. Skill level is irrelevant compared with attitude.

See here if any explanation is needed

http://www.battle-fields.com/commscentre/showthread.php?t=15042


Originally Posted by zav:
Hi Shifter
Too many noob's on UK2 M8...too many

Hence the noob reply in response to zavs post

Sonko
02-08-2007, 23:28
First I have to say that this Crimea44 mission is more a ground pounding mission rather that a pure dogfight mission, there are multiple targets to attack for both sides.

I don't think that this mission favors the blue side, the Yak9-T and the P-39's are just too dangerous for their opposition to call it an easy job for blues.

So fly your chosen plane to its strenghts and you should be successful. :)

MD_SCORPION
04-08-2007, 19:17
ok fair comment .. thanks for listening to my suggestion without giveing me a grilling:fluffle: