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NS-IceFire
23-11-2007, 01:24
Lots of people have been asking about 1946 maps on the servers and I floated a few ideas and tried a bunch of things before I was really happy with what I wanted to do. This is probably going to be an interesting map to play and a tricky one to make people happy with (and some people will never be happy with jets but thats beside the point).

So the scenario is Crimea 1946. Objectives are pretty wild for this one and I may have once again overdone it on the targets so it may need to be scaled back a bit. What I did want to do is provide an opportunity to use as many of the 1946 aircraft as possible so its a really diverse group of aircraft...not all of them but most of them.

Red team:
A-20C (or could be Pe-2 1944 or A-20G)
B-29 (AI as a Tu-4 stand in)
I-250
IL-10
P-63C
Yak-3 VK-107
Yak-15
La-7R
MiG-9FS

Blue team:
Do-335V-13
Ta-152C
Ta-183
He-162C
He-162D
Heinek Lerche
Me-262 HG-II
Ar-234B-2
Do-335V-13

I want to have as few restrictions on this planeset as possible. This is the map where 1946 aircraft get to truly go wild in unrestricted jet and prop combat.

Red targets include a large vehicle supply depot, heavy armor convoy, and factories at Simferopol. Blue targets include a red airbase (no spawns at the base) and two heavy armor convoys.

B-29s get an air start in the north so they get a leg up against the jets right off the bat. My concern is that Simferopol, which is a great strategic target with the large number of factories), is right next to one of the two blue airbases so those B-29s are going to be faced with some serious firepower. My hope is that the relatively short travel distance and the need for the jets to really work to get to height will keep the B-29s safe (plus the B-29s relative strength). The Ta-183, Lerche, and Ta-152C also have the added bonus of trying to hit the B-29s with X-4 missiles which should be hilarious to see if it works out properly.

This is what I'd call a "balls to the wall" kind of map...all of the punches are pulled. We've got the large four engine AI bomber, tactical aircraft, jets, prop fighters, hybrid jet/prop/rocket aircraft, and big targets. Also as you'll see with the pictures the terrain is hilly so there's lots of terrain to duck and hide behind particularly for the bombers.

I wasn't sure if the A-20C/G or Pe-2 should also make an appearance as I felt there needed to be another bomber...maybe with a bombsight to act as a counterpart to the B-29s and be an option that wasn't so big and attracting as much attention. The A-20 is probably better being fast, carrying a large bomb load, and being relatively small and agile...gives it a bit of a chance against a jet...but not a big one. The IL-10 will probably be prefered.

Soo....comments welcome as usual :)

http://colin.polariscreations.com/images/crimea46-01.jpg
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Zorin
23-11-2007, 03:07
Operation Stalemate
http://battle-fields.com/commscentre/showpost.php?p=167149&postcount=77

Pretty much the same, I'd say.

The main problem is not that we don't have 1946 maps, it's rather the fact that with a circle of ~90maps the scope of actively played maps is very limited.

We should really consider making three separate sets including maps for all scenarios and years, which should not proof to be a problem and set them on a monthly rotation.

Luxchamp
23-11-2007, 03:08
this looking very promising :)

many thanks for this great map!:fluffle:

NS-IceFire
23-11-2007, 03:46
Operation Stalemate
http://battle-fields.com/commscentre/showpost.php?p=167149&postcount=77

Pretty much the same, I'd say.

The main problem is not that we don't have 1946 maps, it's rather the fact that with a circle of ~90maps the scope of actively played maps is very limited.

We should really consider making three separate sets including maps for all scenarios and years, which should not proof to be a problem and set them on a monthly rotation.
Has no large bombers/strategic targets. Plus the layout and targets are pretty different...havening played that map this will be a different experience.

Yellow 2
23-11-2007, 08:48
I'd like to see another map where we get to use some of the '46 aircraft. It may not come around often but it will be a nice suprise when it does. :)

FlyingFinn
23-11-2007, 10:16
Love the Do-335. It's a beuty and I would like to see it on more of the late war maps.

Hopefully we can test this monstermap out soon (if our pcs can handle it).

Firelok
23-11-2007, 15:18
Well I think it looks great, Soviets could deploy the B25 as a 'Pathfinder' for the B29s. The GAF has some wicked aircraft to fly here might be tough for the VVS.

Stalemate is indeed the only other 'pure' 46 scenario we have, some of the 46 content appears elsewhere, Korea,Kola,IronCurtain and Manchuria for example but another 'Jet' map is very welcome.



The main problem is not that we don't have 1946 maps, it's rather the fact that with a circle of ~90maps the scope of actively played maps is very limited.

We should really consider making three separate sets including maps for all scenarios and years, which should not proof to be a problem and set them on a monthly rotation.

I'm aware this is something you've brought up before, I've no problem discussing it but we should throw the idea open to a wider audience perhaps in another thread rather than hijack Ice-Fires map thread.

Zorin
23-11-2007, 16:03
Sure, didn't mean to hijack his thread. Sorry Ice.

NS-IceFire
26-11-2007, 23:14
Thats ok.

Should be finished with this map soon and I'll send it off. Hope to have some fun with it!

NS-IceFire
18-12-2007, 01:41
Its been sent. No major changes to report. Hopefully the chaos between B-29s and jets is in a fun sort of way. Should be allot of smoky jet trails flying all which ways.

Yellow 2
18-12-2007, 09:21
Thanks Ice. Looking forward to flying this.:)

Firelok
18-12-2007, 10:39
Added to the server for testing.

Map Name.. Crimea46.mis

Firelok
04-01-2008, 20:52
Before Christmas we tested this and there was a problem with the bomber airstart, I'm fairly sure I've fixed this and the target ID's that were wrong.
I'm wondering if there should be Yak prop-fighters airstarting with the bombers as escort too. I've de-limited the MiG9FS as discussed then too.

NS-IceFire
04-01-2008, 22:33
Sure...maybe adding the Yak-3 VK-107 to the airstart?

Firelok
18-01-2008, 09:36
OK I fixed the airstart and tested it online but i've got another small reservation, the distance from the Red bomber airstart to the targets is very large by our usual standards i'm wondering if it could be resited east of the current red ground bases thus shaving off about a grid and a half of flight time to the main level bombing target, it's still going to be a fairly long flight; Do you think it would be OK to try this layout?

NS-IceFire
18-01-2008, 21:58
Yep absolutely. Give it a try...I think I've overestimated the distances recently and this is probably another one of them. This map actually covers more ground than I thought it would just looking at the map for some reason.

titus_gibonicus
21-01-2008, 19:19
was a good laugh playing this the other night, love the b-29 and ta-183 action.

Firelok
22-01-2008, 07:15
OK I altered the airstarts, adding one west of the red ground base and shifted the other slightly north to put the spawn within the umbrella of AAA, so as to discourage the ta183 spawn campers.