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Zorin
26-11-2007, 20:54
A new limited plane set map. (no copy of Icefire's Hungary 1945)

VVS

Il-2_3
Pe-2series359

La-5FN
P-39Q-1
Yak-9B
Yak-9D
Yak-9U (=10)

Luftwaffe

Bf-109G-6AS
Fw-190A-6
Fw-190A-8
Ju-88A-4
He111H-2

Hungarian Air Force

Bf-109G-6late
Fw-190F-8
Me 210

Targets

Red:

Geschützstaffel (88mm)
Panzer-Fliegerabwehrzug (3,7cm Flak 43)
schwere Panzerkompanie "Tiger" (fG)
Jagdpanzerkompanie (Jagdpanz.IV oder 38) (fG)
schwere Panzergrenadierkompanie (s MG (mot) und 2cm Fla (Sf)) (fG)
Batterie leichte Feldhaubitze 18/2 (zu 6 Geschützen) (Sf)

Blue:

Similar in strength to the German forces.

Map

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/ZorinW/Map_hungary.jpg

NS-IceFire
26-11-2007, 23:10
Sounds good and offers a different planeset on the map. Thumbs up for the inclusion the Yak-9B...doesn't show up very often and is such an oddball aircraft.

Zorin
26-11-2007, 23:57
Sounds good and offers a different planeset on the map. Thumbs up for the inclusion the Yak-9B...doesn't show up very often and is such an oddball aircraft.

And if you do it right you can get yourself more than 3000 points in one sortie. :D

NS-IceFire
27-11-2007, 00:49
No complaints about that :D

Gordano
27-11-2007, 11:46
Looks very interesting and a good planeset.

I agree that the 9B is a bit of a handful, but also packs a nice punch :)

Zorin
27-11-2007, 17:54
I added another target in Csakvar (repair shop) and the He111H-2 for the Luftwaffe.

Finished files will be send asap.

Taska
27-11-2007, 20:10
What's the chance of making a version of this excellent scenario
for UKD3? Obviously the AI aircraft would have to go, but I'm sure
a suitable alternative could be found. (Me210 ---> Bf110 with
restricted loadouts to make it as close as possible?)

Tim
27-11-2007, 23:00
N1 Zorin, looks really good!!

Algorex
27-11-2007, 23:03
The plane set is almost identical with novgorod, so if this one works ok we might want to replacing novgorod with this one.

Zorin
27-11-2007, 23:10
The plane set is almost identical with novgorod, so if this one works ok we might want to replacing novgorod with this one.

That was the initial idea ;)

@Taska: It's no problem to use the files on UKded3 as both are using the same server software now. So does replacing the 210 take no real afford and can be done in few minutes.

Firelok
27-11-2007, 23:20
That was the initial idea ;)

@Taska: It's no problem to use the files on UKded3 as both are using the same server software now. So does replacing the 210 take no real afford and can be done in few minutes.

So can we have the 110 Zerstorer here on a UK2 version aswell?:D

I would like to see a pure Soviet planeset here, i.e. no P39 then maybe the Yak9U unrestricted. In terms of sheer destructive power there little different between them and we might see some Yaks flying rather than just La5FNs and P39s. But that's just me:D

NS-IceFire
27-11-2007, 23:22
Ahh yes but variety is the spice of life and the P-39 is just so odd :)

Zorin
27-11-2007, 23:49
Remember what the Yak-3 did to Kola and seeing that the Yak-9U ain't much of a underperformer compared to it I think restricting it to 10 is a good idea. But we'll see.

Oh and including the Bf110, with no restrictions, will be no problem ;)

Algorex
27-11-2007, 23:51
Remember what the Yak-3 did to Kola and seeing that the Yak-9U ain't much of a underperformer compared to it I think restricting it to 10 is a good idea. But we'll see.

Oh and including the Bf110, with no restrictions, will be no problem ;)

Stukas? SG1? Rudel? :D

Zorin
27-11-2007, 23:52
Stukas? SG1? Rudel? :D

Now we start to clutter up the planeset again.

How about adding the Ju87G1 to the Ukded3 version and the Bf110 for UKded2? I'd say chances of survival in a Ju87 are greater on Ukded3 than Ukded2, or how do you see that?

Zorin
28-11-2007, 21:59
Files have been sent, sorry for the delay.

Taska
28-11-2007, 22:52
@Taska: It's no problem to use the files on UKded3 as both are using the same server software now. So does replacing the 210 take no real afford and can be done in few minutes.

Many thanks, I look forward to seeing this one.:D

Firelok
29-11-2007, 12:18
I recieved thse files and will be uploading them sometime today

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/ZorinW/Map_hungary.jpg

I'm concerned about where the airfields are, and how difficult it's going to be for Red ground attack to get past the southern blue base to attack the Tiger tanks behind it. We shall see how it plays though, rather than rely on my guesswork:)

Firelok
29-11-2007, 15:26
I uploaded this for testing current name...
Hungary44.mis

Zorin
29-11-2007, 16:05
I recieved thse files and will be uploading them sometime today

I'm concerned about where the airfields are, and how difficult it's going to be for Red ground attack to get past the southern blue base to attack the Tiger tanks behind it. We shall see how it plays though, rather than rely on my guesswork:)

Southern base is the one sporting the Hungarian Airforce with G6late and F8, so not that much of a thread for an IL2.

Sonko
30-11-2007, 12:02
Please keep Novgorod, it is such a nice dogfight map with short distances.


@Zorin: Why not the G6 instead of the G6late for hungarian AF? Remember the tail paint.

The FW190F8 is a pretty good fighter IMO, it represents a great danger for the IL2.

Zorin
30-11-2007, 18:31
Well, I don't mind replacing the G6late with the G6, I just thought even Hungary would have refitted its G6s up to G6late standard.

Algorex
30-11-2007, 19:03
There wasn't much refitting nor standardisation in the G6/G14s, as the erla hood, various tail designs, MW-50 etc were added to the production line, the "older" variants were still produced.

So it's likely that Hungary just like Finland got a mixture of in game G6s and G6 lates and correct me if i'm wrong HuAF also got G14s from germany as well as from their own production lines.

Zorin
30-11-2007, 20:10
There wasn't much refitting nor standardisation in the G6/G14s, as the erla hood, various tail designs, MW-50 etc were added to the production line, the "older" variants were still produced.

So it's likely that Hungary just like Finland got a mixture of in game G6s and G6 lates and correct me if i'm wrong HuAF also got G14s from germany as well as from their own production lines.

I have no better reason to not believe you here. And should you imply we should add the G-14, I actually left it out to avoid any annoying MK108 discussion.

Firelok
01-12-2007, 23:26
Did the Hungarians use 30mm cannon on their 109s?

Had a good old test tonight with 24-26 players the flight to reds targets is a bit 'road to hell' but reds still won on targets anyway, with 5 or 6 IL2s and Pe2s going for them, so my reservations in the post above aren't valid really. A good test, dunno how easy it is for blues to attack targets noone did until I tried about 40 minutes into the map but Reds won when I was halfway there.

NS-IceFire
02-12-2007, 00:19
Yes Hungarian G-14's were factory equipped with MK108s. Thats why the G-14 we have has a 30mm option only because we have a Hungarian build of the aircraft (apparently this was the higher quality version).

Red's totaled the targets while Blues had a pretty rough time. Not sure if it was because of what Blues were doing in not attacking the targets but flying defensively is the cause.

The brave Pe-2 and IL-2 pilots went through quite a bit of hell to get to the targets but they certainly pummeled them.

Airbases were pretty sparse and I think we spotted a few oddly placed AAA batteries between taxiways and runways. I think this was the map with that anyways.

Great map layoutwise...and the scenery is of course stunning on this map even with all of the snow!

Zorin
02-12-2007, 13:28
Yes Hungarian G-14's were factory equipped with MK108s. Thats why the G-14 we have has a 30mm option only because we have a Hungarian build of the aircraft (apparently this was the higher quality version).

Red's totaled the targets while Blues had a pretty rough time. Not sure if it was because of what Blues were doing in not attacking the targets but flying defensively is the cause.

The brave Pe-2 and IL-2 pilots went through quite a bit of hell to get to the targets but they certainly pummeled them.

Airbases were pretty sparse and I think we spotted a few oddly placed AAA batteries between taxiways and runways. I think this was the map with that anyways.

Great map layoutwise...and the scenery is of course stunning on this map even with all of the snow!

Airbases were sparse? What do you mean by that? And yes, the AAA is placed at both ends of the runway in between itself and the taxiway.

NS-IceFire
02-12-2007, 15:34
Well at least one of the airbases had almost no placed objects...was sparse. Normally I see some fantastic airbase work from you. Just mentioning it.

And yes the AAA placed in between taxiway and runway was mentioned a few times by people :)

Zorin
02-12-2007, 15:37
Well at least one of the airbases had almost no placed objects...was sparse. Normally I see some fantastic airbase work from you. Just mentioning it.

And yes the AAA placed in between taxiway and runway was mentioned a few times by people :)

Yeah, I left them more or less untouched as I have no experience with the Balaton map and its performance. But as it doesn't seem to suffer and the AAA needs replacing I will pimp them up a bit :)

NS-IceFire
02-12-2007, 15:43
Balaton despite its size and detail seems to be relatively smooth actually. Which is good!

Yep put the AAA wherever...just not in the flight line were the pilots will hit it during crash landings :D

Zorin
02-12-2007, 17:54
Added some miscellaneous stuff and reactivated a Nimrod.

Firelok
05-12-2007, 12:03
I've added the current version to the cycle. Thanks Zorin.
We can progressively update the tweaked versions.