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Zorin
06-01-2008, 01:29
As you may have noticed, I'm toying around with ideas utilizing our new maps.

This one is meant to be a fresh approach to the channel theme.

RA

SpitfireVb (North)

HurricaneIIc (South)
A20C (South)

LW

Bf109E7
Bf109F4

Ju88

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/ZorinW/channel41.jpg

Algorex
06-01-2008, 03:35
Hastings?

Solnyshko
06-01-2008, 04:08
Hastings?

t'other side. think rhubarbs. I'm liking this... a lot :)

Zorin
06-01-2008, 12:26
t'other side. think rhubarbs. I'm liking this... a lot :)

That is the idea, correct. :)

NS-IceFire
06-01-2008, 16:30
Didn't Hastings have the Ju-87? We had some fantastic UK-Dedicated trademarked flying gaggle of Stuka's raids on there :)

Zorin
06-01-2008, 16:36
I couldn't find any reference for Stukas in France after February 41. Plus, who would fly a Stuka with the IIc around?

Zorin
06-01-2008, 22:11
Give me some target ideas. What was to be found in the coastel regions of the Netherlands and France in mid 41?

Solnyshko
07-01-2008, 01:09
airfields? observation posts? railheads? supply depots? troop parade grounds *cough*?

with a couple of well placed cameras you could have some fun with the new ground objects (http://www.simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=86&Number=2412714&Searchpage=1&Main=257890&Words=infantry+explode&topic=0&Search=true#Post2412714) - apparently infantry explode...

the_vicar
07-01-2008, 07:19
Channel 41?

When I first read that I thought it was something to do with CBs.

duh... :o

Boemher
08-01-2008, 22:30
Hurricane IIB also ?

Nice idea Zorin

Zorin
08-01-2008, 22:54
Hurricane IIB also ?

Nice idea Zorin

Sure, why not. I just thought no one would fly her with the given choice of IIc and Spitfire.

Should we bother with the B.IV Mossie?

NS-IceFire
08-01-2008, 23:15
Sure, why not. I just thought no one would fly her with the given choice of IIc and Spitfire.

Should we bother with the B.IV Mossie?

In some cases I'd rather fly the IIb than the IIc. The IIc's superior firepower is offset by very low ammo duration. Depending on the kind of fight you're going into the IIb can often be more useful.

Boemher
08-01-2008, 23:19
The IIB would be their purely because it can carry bombs and the IIC unfortunately cant.

Mossie FB perhaps? ( yes I know it would be like a Do 335 on a 44 map :D )

Zorin
08-01-2008, 23:41
The FB entered service in early 1943, that would be stretching it a bit too far, IMO ;)

Sonko
09-01-2008, 07:03
Most difficulty will be to make the sea look good, if u know what I mean.

Why not including the 109E-4 aswell? I find it handles a bit better than the E-7 and it has a better view from the pit.

Zorin
09-01-2008, 16:01
Most difficulty will be to make the sea look good, if u know what I mean.

Why not including the 109E-4 aswell? I find it handles a bit better than the E-7 and it has a better view from the pit.

Don't know, it is supposed to be around July-August 41. I would think that all E4s would have been refitted to E7 standard or are reassigned to flight training schools.

Solnyshko
09-01-2008, 16:39
Doubt it. Besides, the E-4 behaves better in-game than the E-7

Algorex
09-01-2008, 17:02
During the said period most common variants on the channel front were Bf 109F-1/2, Bf 109F-4, Bf 109E-7/Z and Bf 109E-7/N. Now deliveries were most likely F-4s.

Remember that by this time only two JGs were stationed at the channel front, JG2 and JG26. Also the FW-190 was just around the corner to replace the E-series planes.

Sonko
23-01-2008, 09:03
Just curious, why are you using the Ju88 and not the He111?
To me it looks like the He111 can take more structural damage than the Ju88.
Ju88 is easier to light up too IMO.

I see only one point for using the Ju88: It has a better defensive armament.
OK it is about 20 kph faster than the He111 but I think this has not a great impact.

Zorin
23-01-2008, 15:16
Just curious, why are you using the Ju88 and not the He111?
To me it looks like the He111 can take more structural damage than the Ju88.
Ju88 is easier to light up too IMO.

I see only one point for using the Ju88: It has a better defensive armament.
OK it is about 20 kph faster than the He111 but I think this has not a great impact.

As far as I could find out, without checking the Bestandslisten, the He111 was mainly used on the eastern front, whereas the Ju88 still operated in the west.

And especially here, with the Hurricane IIc, I like the fact that I can outdive and than outrun my opponent ;)

Sonko
23-01-2008, 20:55
And especially here, with the Hurricane IIc, I like the fact that I can outdive and than outrun my opponent ;)


lol okay :p

Xiola
09-02-2008, 22:35
I love anything with a Spitfire Vb/Hurri vs 109F4!


Looking great :)

What about adding an Italian fighter, to represent their presence in the battle? Just a suggestion...it would add a bit of variety to the already fantastic Vb vs F4 battles :)

Another suggestion is the Mossie as the Allied bomber instead of the A20C? The A20 might be a bit tough for the 109 to bring down?

Take none or all of these ideas, I dont mind, I just love the Spit Vb vs 109F4 whatever...

mmmmm the Freidrich....:D

Zorin
09-02-2008, 22:38
Thanks Xiola, but Italians in 1941 at the channel front?

Xiola
09-02-2008, 22:40
Thanks Xiola, but Italians in 1941 at the channel front?


Im not sure mate, but they certainly played a part in the battle Of Britain, mainly getting shot down! :)

Did they withdraw before 1941?

Edit : it seems they withdrew in early 1941...so its up to you mate....

From wiki :-


'Italian dictator Benito Mussolini insisted on providing an element of the Italian Royal Air Force (Regia Aeronautica) to assist his German ally during the Battle of Britain. This expeditionary force was called the Italian Air Corps (Corpo Aereo Italiano or CAI) and first saw action in late October 1940. It took part in the latter stages of the battle but achieved limited success and was redeployed in early 1941.'


I just thought it would add a bit of variety seeing as we dont have a FW190A1/A2. I wouldnt want a FW190A4 added, becasue I found Channel '42 very overwhelming for the reds having to contend with e FW190A4 AND the 109F4, when the best they have is the Spitfire Vb. I feel to guilty flying blue on that planeset because the Spit Vb really has no chance vs good FW190A4 and Me109F4 pilots. A mix of 109E's 109F2's and 109F4's vs Spit Vb is much better IMO, and although blue still have a better fighter, its not so overwhelmingly in favour.

Zorin
09-02-2008, 22:59
Further bombing raids were carried out by the CAI, mainly on the Ipswich and Harwich areas. But, near the beginning of January 1941, all of the bombers and biplanes were redeployed. This left the CAI with only the Fiat G.50s which remained until mid-April 1941 when they too were redeployed.

So we could mix in the G.50 if we replace the F4 with the F2.


The G.50 stayed till April 1941.

The F4 production began in May 1941.

The F2 production began in March 1941.

So the question is: Should the Luftwaffe lose firepower to allow for a plane with even less firepower.

Xiola
09-02-2008, 23:03
Hmmm, I wouldnt like to lose the F4 and add the F2.

I reckon keep the F4 and forget the italians.

What other plane could we give to the blue side in late '41 which isnt a FW190 or Italian?, the Me110 could be one, but I'm trying to think a bit more different than that.

Something that would add variety to the Spitvb vs 10F4 core dogfight.

The Hurri is fine for the Red side, but what for the blue?

Any suggestions?

We COULD just add the G50 and go semi historical and not totally historical, if there are no better suggestions. Noone would mind, its more variety after all, which is better than being totally anal about a few months and leaving it out.

Zorin
09-02-2008, 23:46
Royal Airforce

Fighter


SpitfireVb

Ground attack


HurricaneIIc

Bomber


A20C

Luftwaffe/Corpo Aereo Italiano (CAI)

Fighter


Bf109E7
Bf109F2
Fiat G.50

Fighter bomber


Bf110G2 (locked down to be an earlier version)

Bomber


Ju88

Zorin
10-02-2008, 00:57
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Zorin
10-02-2008, 13:53
Opinions?

Sonko
11-02-2008, 11:45
Looks similar to this one desert map only that the tomahawk is missing here.
I'd prefer the He111 bomber instead of the Ju88 because of the defence fire
and you have less to lock when taking the H2 model.
As for the 110, lock it to droptanks only, as it will slow them down a lot, even
when tanks are dropped and one can still take bombs IIRC. but dont forget to
write it into the briefing which modification must be used to confuse less people :D

Algorex
11-02-2008, 11:55
Operational debut of the Boston with the RAF was in february '42. Futhermore it's a tall order for a bf 109F-2 to down one or for a bf 109E-7 to catch one.

Zorin
11-02-2008, 12:40
Operational debut of the Boston with the RAF was in february '42. Futhermore it's a tall order for a bf 109F-2 to down one or for a bf 109E-7 to catch one.

You are actually quite right, no idea how I missed that. :confused:

We should really focus on the IIc being a ground attack craft here and leave out the Ju88 on blue side.

Xiola
11-02-2008, 22:14
Lets keep the planeset as it is but add the 109F4 :)

The 20mm will make all the difference vs the A20.

Actually thats why I suggested the Mossoe, because its a bit easier to bring down, although that would make the planeset very much like Dalmatia.

Zorin
11-02-2008, 22:32
Xiola, as Algore pointed out, the A20 started its service life with the RAF in February 1942. But we set this to April 1941 so we have the G.50. So there is no need for the F4. If you are after firepower, take a Bf110.

The B.MK VI Mosquito was first devilred to front line units in November 1941 and the FB version in February 1943. So no Mosquito here.