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Brcn
13-01-2006, 16:02
Briefing For Blue Team
Good morning! The number of aircraft that the RAF and USAAF send to targets over France is increasing daily. Radar has detected many medium bombers and fighters approaching Le Havre. We think that factories and the U-boats that are in the harbour are going to be their targets.
Your mission is :- Scramble and shoot down any enemy aircraft approaching our shore!


Briefing for Red Team
Good morning gentlemen. Reconnaissance photographs show that there are many U-boats anchored in Le Havre harbour. We need to hit them there before they sail for the Atlantic. These, together with the industrial area around the harbour, are our primary target. Heavy flak can be expected. Good luck!
Your mission is :- Sink the U-boats in Le Havre harbour. Attack ground targets in the southern industrial area of Le Havre.

Map: Normandy
Weather: Good
Clouds: 1500
Time: 8:00 am

Available Planes For Blue Team:
Bf-109G-6_Late
Fw-190A-6

Available Planes For Red Team:
B-25J-1NA
P-47D-22
SpitfireMkIXc
B-17
B-24

Further Information For Bue Team
The only way for the blue team to win this map is to defend their targets and shoot down 100 aircraft. There are 11 submarines anchored in the harbour and 180 ground targets located in the southern industrial area of Le Havre. Both targets are well defended by AAA, but this won’t be enough.

There are 4 bases available, 3 of which give airstart at 2k. Planeset are the same in all airfield. If you find yourself surrounded by enemy fighters in the bases that give airstart, just select the airfield that is located south.

Further Information For Red Team
Red team has to destroy 8 of the 11 submarines and 120 of the 180 ground targets located in the southern industrial part of Le Havre. Both targets are well defended by AAA, do not loiter over targets, be fast!

There are 4 bases available, 3 of which give airstart at 2k. Planeset are the same in all airfield. If you find yourself surrounded by enemy fighters in the bases that give airstart, just select the island base.

Notes:
This map is called if no team wins Objective_Birma43.

If red team wins this map, Objective_Kurland44red is called. If blue team wins this map, Objective_Oderblue is called. If there is no winner, the next map will be Objective_Sevastopol44.

Brcn
13-01-2006, 16:02
Briefing For Blue Team
Good morning! The number of aircraft that the RAF and USAAF send to targets over France is increasing daily. Radar has detected many medium bombers and fighters approaching Le Havre. We think that factories and the U-boats that are in the harbour are going to be their targets.
Your mission is :- Scramble and shoot down any enemy aircraft approaching our shore!


Briefing for Red Team
Good morning gentlemen. Reconnaissance photographs show that there are many U-boats anchored in Le Havre harbour. We need to hit them there before they sail for the Atlantic. These, together with the industrial area around the harbour, are our primary target. Heavy flak can be expected. Good luck!
Your mission is :- Sink the U-boats in Le Havre harbour. Attack ground targets in the southern industrial area of Le Havre.

Map: Normandy
Weather: Good
Clouds: 1500
Time: 8:00 am

Available Planes For Blue Team:
Bf-109G-6_Late
Bf-109G-10
Fw-190A-6

Available Planes For Red Team:
B-25J-1NA
P-47D-22
SpitfireMkIXc
B-17
B-24

Further Information For Bue Team
The only way for the blue team to win this map is to defend their targets and shoot down 100 aircraft. There are 11 submarines anchored in the harbour and 180 ground targets located in the southern industrial area of Le Havre. Both targets are well defended by AAA, but this won’t be enough.

There are 4 bases available, 3 of which give airstart at 2k. Planeset are the same in all airfield. If you find yourself surrounded by enemy fighters in the bases that give airstart, just select the airfield that is located south.

Further Information For Red Team
Red team has to destroy 8 of the 11 submarines and 120 of the 180 ground targets located in the southern industrial part of Le Havre. Both targets are well defended by AAA, do not loiter over targets, be fast!

There are 4 bases available, 3 of which give airstart at 2k. Planeset are the same in all airfield. If you find yourself surrounded by enemy fighters in the bases that give airstart, just select the island base.

Notes:
This map is called if blue team wins Objective_Birma43.

If red team wins this map, Objective_Kurland44red is called. If blue team wins this map, Objective_Oderblue is called. If there is no winner, the next map will be Objective_Sevastopol44.

Brcn
13-01-2006, 16:03
Briefing For Blue Team
Good morning! The number of aircraft that the RAF and USAAF send to targets over France is increasing daily. Radar has detected many medium bombers and fighters approaching Le Havre. We think that factories and the U-boats that are in the harbour are going to be their targets.
Your mission is :- Scramble and shoot down any enemy aircraft approaching our shore!


Briefing for Red Team
Good morning gentlemen. Reconnaissance photographs show that there are many U-boats anchored in Le Havre harbour. We need to hit them there before they sail for the Atlantic. These, together with the industrial area around the harbour, are our primary target. Heavy flak can be expected. Good luck!
Your mission is :- Sink the U-boats in Le Havre harbour. Attack ground targets in the southern industrial area of Le Havre.

Map: Normandy
Weather: Good
Clouds: 1500
Time: 8:00 am

Available Planes For Blue Team:
Bf-109G-6_Late
Fw-190A-6

Available Planes For Red Team:
B-25J-1NA
P-47D-22
P-51D-20NA
SpitfireMkIXc
B-17
B-24

Further Information For Bue Team
The only way for the blue team to win this map is to defend their targets and shoot down 100 aircraft. There are 11 submarines anchored in the harbour and 180 ground targets located in the southern industrial area of Le Havre. Both targets are well defended by AAA, but this won’t be enough.

There are 4 bases available, 3 of which give airstart at 2k. Planeset are the same in all airfield. If you find yourself surrounded by enemy fighters in the bases that give airstart, just select the airfield that is located south.

Further Information For Red Team
Red team has to destroy 8 of the 11 submarines and 120 of the 180 ground targets located in the southern industrial part of Le Havre. Both targets are well defended by AAA, do not loiter over targets, be fast!

There are 4 bases available, 3 of which give airstart at 2k. Planeset are the same in all airfield. If you find yourself surrounded by enemy fighters in the bases that give airstart, just select the island base.

Notes:
This map is called if red team wins Objective_Birma43.

If red team wins this map, Objective_Kurland44red is called. If blue team wins this map, Objective_Oderblue is called. If there is no winner, the next map will be Objective_Sevastopol44.

FlyingFinn
13-01-2006, 16:27
Finally a new map with those lovely planes armed w/ .50s! Thank you ;)

Xiola
13-01-2006, 18:49
Ohhhh BEAUTIFUL planeset.

I will love flying both sides!!!!

Cant wait to try this baby out thanks!

stanford
13-01-2006, 18:57
Yeah looks very promising.

When I'm next on the server I'll change to this map so we can all have a go :)

Brcn
13-01-2006, 19:39
Hello,

I made a few changes after the first try of this mission;

1. Increased plane count for red team from 80 to 100
2. Added B-17 and B-24 to the land base.
3. Added static cameras to the target areas.

Grey_Mouser
13-01-2006, 20:39
Is there going to be an airstart for the Jugs?

Algorex
13-01-2006, 20:47
There is a airstart for all (well except the newly added heavy bombers). Brcn did you move the airstart location further away from each other?

Brcn
13-01-2006, 22:20
No i didnt touch the starting locations. I want to give it a try with the heavy bombers and the increased plane count.

Grey_Mouser
13-01-2006, 22:38
OHHH YEAAHHH BAAABBBYYYY!

Can't wait to fly it! You'll see me prowling about in my P-47...except when blue wins the map...that G-10 is a bit more than a Jug can handle for sure...

Brcn
13-01-2006, 23:37
OHHH YEAAHHH BAAABBBYYYY!

Can't wait to fly it! You'll see me prowling about in my P-47...except when blue wins the map...that G-10 is a bit more than a Jug can handle for sure...

Just type <map<Objective_Normandy.mis when you are in the server :) I'd be pleased to have comments for the mpa after it is played.

Grey_Mouser
14-01-2006, 03:32
Got a chance to play it...only 8 players...I liked it quite a bit!

The dynamics of airstarts are different because you really have to keep track of how close you are to the enemy base....diving to the deck is a viable escape tactic because you will find yourself real close to friends with altitude.

The Jug is competitive in this arena. Didn't have too many spits around and the Fw's were the dominant fighter on the map imho due to firepower and high speed manuevering.

The only improvement I could say right now with only a little bit of time on the server is to align the airstart bases perpendicular to how they are so that faster climbing aircraft like 109 and Spitfire are in front most base and give some rearward airstarts for the slower climbing Jug and Fw. More space till I get to the front lines would help for some aircraft.

Good start! and the airstart is a refreshing change...I don't think all maps should be this way but after taking of and landing 20,000 times, I think the newness has worn off.

norrismcwhirter
14-01-2006, 09:12
Not played it yet but it sounds like a nice map.

I'm glad we now have some airstarts because it means that we have more people actually doing what the map maker intended rather than going off because they couldn't be bothered to climb above 200m.

Excellent stuff.

Ta,
Norris

Yellow 2
14-01-2006, 09:49
Briefing For Blue Team
Good morning! The number of aircraft that the RAF and USAAF send to targets over France is increasing daily. Radar has detected many medium bombers and fighters approaching Le Havre. We think that factories and the U-boats that are in the harbour are going to be their targets.
Your mission is :- Scramble and shoot down any enemy aircraft approaching our shore!


Briefing for Red Team
Good morning gentlemen. Reconnaissance photographs show that there are many U-boats anchored in Le Havre harbour. We need to hit them there before they sail for the Atlantic. These, together with the industrial area around the harbour, are our primary target. Heavy flak can be expected. Good luck!
Your mission is :- Sink the U-boats in Le Havre harbour. Attack ground targets in the southern industrial area of Le Havre.


Brcn - Just a thought but in looking at the briefs I have included the objectives again at the end. We have a lot of players who are not native English speakers and I thought it may be better for them if the objectives were easy to find rather than have to pick them out of the body of the brief. The down side is that nobody reads the full brief just the short mission objectives. If you don't like this please alter it. Oh and just one more thing. These ground targets what are they? Are they buildings or vehicles/trains etc. It may help players to know what to look for.

Cheers :)

Brcn
14-01-2006, 11:54
Hello,

Thanks for the comments. I will add details for the target area to the briefing.

Mouser, I will relocate the bases according to your comment.

Brcn
15-01-2006, 14:44
Hi,

I corrected a terrible mistake in the briefings. Caen should be Le havre. Sorry.

Thanks

Mysticpuma2004
15-01-2006, 15:31
Any chance of the D-27 instead of the 22. :) Just asking :)

Brcn
18-01-2006, 10:40
Any chance of the D-27 instead of the 22. :) Just asking :)

I can do that :)

Brcn
20-01-2006, 21:30
Hello,

We also tried the map again yesterday, and I flew for the red team during the whole mission.

I think red needs a better fighter, which will be the P51 in that case. But I made this map due to some request on having limited planes for each side, and someone also wanted to see P47 on more maps. I can change the Spitfire with P51, and add the best Spit for bonus. What do you guys think?

Reds now need to destroy 60 % of what they needed to destroy to win the map. In fact we did have enough bombs to win the mission, but 50% of the time, only the buildings explode, the train cars are undamaged.

I fly for the blue team 90% of my time in the server, and in this mission I flew, I found the red team's teamplay very, very poor. There is a lot of difference with the blue team in means of teamplay IMO. Of course this is only one mission I am making this comment.

I flew B25 most of the time. And at least 2/3 of these sorties I flew, I and my fellow bomber Scrappy started with fighter escort, but the escort dissapeared when an enemy is seen. They forgot that they are escorting and went for the kill only. Then we were easy prays for the other fighters.

Other bombers did exactly what JTD described, even fighters went directly to blue team spawn area without climbing. They were then massacred by the experienced Luftwaffe b&z ers.

I think if red team can deploy decent tacticts, the mission will not last more than 20 mins. And this will be the same even if blue had K4, D9 or A9.

Thanks.

Grey_Mouser
20-01-2006, 23:11
The airstarts add a different dimension...folks will get used to it after being shot down enough probably.

It is intersting though that blue didn't have the same problem though.

I don't think the addition of a flyable Tempest is going to help the team that flies under the other teams spawn area.

NS-IceFire
21-01-2006, 16:21
What is the time period that this map is supposed to represent? Perhaps an early P-51B would be ok for a early 1944 map with the majority of fighters still represented by a Spitfire LF Vb and P-47D-22.

Brcn
12-02-2006, 19:19
Np, m8. I will add the cars, i also find it annoying when my bombs explode 10 buildings but most of the train cars in the exploded buildings survive the blast.

G14 is the blue bonus plane, yes. P-51D-20NA is the bonus for the red team.

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Oh, I misread your post. There is a train car in every building in the target area. But sometimes the buildings are destroyed and the train cars aren't.

Algorex
16-03-2006, 09:48
Some new editing ideas that me and few others came up last night:
-remove mk9 spits from the airstart to support the use of yank fighters especially in "high" altitude escort role
-move airstart locations futher apart so the bombers always have room to climb without the need to circle around.
-move blue airstart to inland or remove it completely and move the airbase futher away from the coast.

these changes or something else must be in my view done so we won't end up with spit mk9 vs a6 and g6late furballs and two or three b-25js getting slaughtered down low. (the spitfire vs kraut fighters whine also applies to Schweinfurt).

I think the major problem of this map is a simple lack of distance between bases and the target.

And yes i do know that majority of these issues ccould be solved by people using their heads when flying on the map, but as Agent K put it "A person is smart; people are dumb panicky dangerous animals and you know it"

Grey_Mouser
17-03-2006, 01:31
I think where it is practical, without going back and reworking a bunch of maps...I'd love to see some airstarts for both red and blue medium bombers with bombsights.

Biggest reason is because I just learned how to use them! And I'd love to have some more opportunities. Now with the Ju88 and He-111 and B-25 we have a plane that could be on most every map. If only we could get the Douglas Boston to go along too! Too bad no flyable MkIV Mosquito either!

Firelok
17-03-2006, 02:10
Mouser you are dead on here, bomber only airstarts (especially where defenders objective is to destroy aircraft) could make for a whole new style of map and dogfight. USAAF hi-alt daylight raids with B25s standing in as a pathfinder force for the B17s(contrails anyone), RAF Circus and Rhubarb operations, interception of G4M Betty's over New Guinea.
I don't think any, of the already existing maps need reworking in this direction but more 'alt-bomber' maps will be great, pullling the fight ceiling up from the common 3500m.
For the first time ever playing 'Normandy' the other day I climbed my B25 up to 15000ft I looked on externals and all my aircrew had put on oxygen masks(i've never noticed this before 'cause I've never been high enough.)
I predict that you can expect more of exactly what your asking for coming up. ;)

MajorDamage
17-03-2006, 10:43
.-move blue airstart to inland or remove it completely and move the airbase futher away from the coast.

I second that. Get rid of the blue airstart especially as its right over the target. The way it is at the moment (in a bomber) your gunners can shoot down attacking fighters only to have them respawn immediately and come at you again.

Blues should have to climb to alt - they're all pretty good climbers anyway.