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    Red Team Briefing

    Please use this thread for tactics and skin assignment (P-51).

    Beaufighter pilots will have to choose RN 1701 Squadron FAA to have correct markings of only a single plane ID letter.

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    Hello, this is the first time I take part in an UK Dedicated dedicated mission. I will be flying as a Beaufighter pilot. From the Sim HQ thread and this forum I gathered the following information:


    9 Beaufighters with 6 Mustangs escorting and the following targets

    Tirpitz L 5
    Byrknes Harbor Facilities I 6
    KMS Nuernberg J 6

    http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/329...ditiertoj8.png

    http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3...ditiertgc3.png

    http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/5...itiert2pl3.png

    Which to strike first?
    Which loadout?
    Which formation?
    Who are the flight leaders?

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    I think Beaufighter pilots should discuss among them about their tactics during this mission. Personally I think their task is very difficult.

    And on this basis the fighter cover will figure out how to protect them. 6 Mustang with 4 machineguns are mostly a force of deterrence and we all have to be aware of this.
    We can split into pairs for better communication. This will also allow us to distract our opponents and suggest them that our bombers are in XX while they are actually in YY, etc.

    But we have to wait with this until you bomber guys decide about your tactics (I don’t even know do you think of low, medium or high altitude approach to target area).

    Bof

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    need to see on what alt their hunter suffer from performance downgrade. I will just fly with the flow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bofors. View Post
    I think Beaufighter pilots should discuss among them about their tactics during this mission. Personally I think their task is very difficult.

    And on this basis the fighter cover will figure out how to protect them. 6 Mustang with 4 machineguns are mostly a force of deterrence and we all have to be aware of this.
    We can split into pairs for better communication. This will also allow us to distract our opponents and suggest them that our bombers are in XX while they are actually in YY, etc.

    But we have to wait with this until you bomber guys decide about your tactics (I don’t even know do you think of low, medium or high altitude approach to target area).

    Bof
    +1

    Stangs need split into pairs and husttle around enemy fighter to buy time for the Beaus to reach their targets. Close protection will not work with so few Stangs. Bofo will u be my Valentine ?

    Waiting for the Beaus tactics...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kammo View Post
    Bofo will u be my Valentine ?
    Though you'll never ask
    Of course I will + I'm gonna take a bottle of vodka with me for this dedicated mission to improve my English

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    Don't worry pilots. I can understand your fear. It is inevitable but we will slaughter the most of them. The rest of the leftovers will be running back tail between their legs crying to their homes

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    Although P51 is a medium/high altitude fighter I think it’s going to be safer for you to make a fast low altitude attack (harder for the enemy to spot you on the face of the earth/water).
    I think Kammo got a point – we can’t provide you with a close cover (I mean we could, but the result would be very poor I guess) but we will do our best to drag the enemy from you / distract them / make a diversion, etc. We will try of course to stay in the distance allowing us to react if you’re engaged.

    Any suggestions?

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    At least we have cover that can zip in and out and possible draw away the fighters that will help us beau's a lot so we can just concentrate avoiding ech other and the Flak etc

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    One thing that might help you gents out. Sadly I can't fly with you, but...

    Do not take more than 25% fuel in Mustangs. This trip to target is short and with good fuel managment you can make this 25% last for very long.

    With 25% fuel, you can even dogfight a bit.


    50% fuel is good for an hour of flight time - on 100% power. 25% will go way over 30min if you use prop pitch and throttle carefully.


    Basicly, different fuel loadouts have a major impact on its performanse. Last time we took a 100% in Mustangs and they flew like bricks. You don't want that.
    ... my foldable "Hog Pen"

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    Good point T.}{.O.R. I think the Beaus should take low amount of fuel too as they have great endurance.


    1. If our primary target is L5 I think we should go low level - up to E8, then to L8 and turn to 180 for the run down to the fjord and then into the branch with the target. It will be tight, the final approach, but will give us a run at the target over open water.

    Arming - 4 to 6 AC with torpedoes and the others with rockets.

    Exit should start out the opposite route but come back towards Byrknes if we haven't been jumped and if we still have ordinance for secondary target - after primary I think we would not have the capacity for a convincing attack but should be fun with 4 x 20mm on light ground targets.

    2. If our primary target is E6 and I6 then I think straight in at wavetop and up to 400m for the final approach to target. Exit would be direct to homebase. This would not leave an option to attack L5 as I don't think we can carry enough to really do both


    I think the fighter jocks have the right idea with support being a bit distant with the intention to spoil the enemy and draw them off.


    Just a couple of ideas, but I am more than happy to follow the lead of others

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    Wolf’s first option is interesting. I would like to have a clear objective: sink a main ship: J6 or L5. L5 is not an easy target to approach though, dropping torpedo’s is difficult over there. Mix of bombs and torpedo’s? There is also a lot of AAA if I remember correctly.

    A few other things to consider:

    Advantage of L5 objective is that if we are prematurely intercepted we might turn for J6, drop the loadout there and go home.

    Do we want a few beaus assigned to destroying AAA ? Do we want separate flights ?

    For example, 2 or 4 beaus can form a distraction somewhere. Personally I would like to see I6 getting hit (and run) by a small flight at the moment that the main flight flies in K8.

    Think we need to be on TS well before the mission, to discuss but also to set up communications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incisor View Post
    Wolf’s first option is interesting. I would like to have a clear objective: sink a main ship: J6 or L5. L5 is not an easy target to approach though, dropping torpedo’s is difficult over there. Mix of bombs and torpedo’s? There is also a lot of AAA if I remember correctly.

    A few other things to consider:

    Advantage of L5 objective is that if we are prematurely intercepted we might turn for J6, drop the loadout there and go home.

    Do we want a few beaus assigned to destroying AAA ? Do we want separate flights ?

    For example, 2 or 4 beaus can form a distraction somewhere. Personally I would like to see I6 getting hit (and run) by a small flight at the moment that the main flight flies in K8.

    Think we need to be on TS well before the mission, to discuss but also to set up communications.

    With 10 Beaus on the roster maybe we should split into two waves of 5 a/c seperated by 15-30sec (keep the lead group in sight but only just). The lead group performs anti AAA/ distraction carrying rockets/ bombs, while the second wave carries torps for the ships. Everbody then makes a return strafing run (or two) before RTBing.

    Fly in at low level (props in the waves stuff!). May or may not work tactically but the screenies will be mega!

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    Sounds like a plan, but best decide when taxing/ taking up etc to finialise it.

    Will have quite a number of good screens though.

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    Agreed with Happymeal. First wave will keep AAAs busy for a while

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    I assume we'll be using the roster order to allocate a/c id letters, which will make me 'D' (no.4), and probably in the anti AAA wave for the first mission.

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    Ah so Suicide Flight then :/

    Number 3 plane so rocketing for me.

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    Dare say there will be time to take turns at being the 'bait' flight

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    When the objective is to sink the ship, then we should get out when it is sunk or when we are empty. I think it is best to limit time over the target as much as possible.

    I tried to find some stuff from previous missions but couldn’t find much, except for this thread.

    http://www.battle-fields.com/commsce...ad.php?t=15972

    If someone finds the airbase layouts, please post them.

    If we decide to go for L5, I have a question: how many torpedo’s / bomb hits / rockets does it take to sink the Tirpitz ? On this the numbers of anti-aaa and anti-shipping beaus must depend.

    What I remember about L5: it is not easy to find, the landscape can be confusing. We can study the map and landmarks and we need a good navigator. The fjord is narrow. The torpedo explosion might catch your plane. The cliffs behind and parallel to the Tirpitz are close and steep, attacking in that direction must be done carefully or not at all.

    For inspiration:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auHYZ...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BouPNl3AnU

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd7_i...eature=related

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    Narrow fjord, sounds like line astern then. 633 squadron stylee.

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