Any tips&tricks about useing P-39???

[zav]

Hi to all...
After some threads about "uber" DM of LaGG-3 with 23-mm cannon i decided don't use this craft in future(or wait new patch )
But i need real alternative to this "over-gun-powerd" FW's and BF's with MK-108....
Can anybody explain how to use P-39 series???

[LeVola]

I think it was made for ground pounding (37mm cannon). Try it against tanks, I you see fighter run

[FlyingFinn]

Ok

#1 It turns realy well in high speeds, try and you see
#2 The 37mm cannon is a real killer if you can master and hit with it. Even the darn fockes lose their will to fight after one or two hits.
#3 The synced .50s in the Q-10 series and the wing MGs in the earlier models are great for cripling your opponent - it's not that rare to see 109s pour light or heavy smoke after a brief volley!
#4 It's a very difficult plane to master, so you must train hard to get good results.
#5 I think it's more of a BnZ plane than turning one. So after your first turn you should have damaged your opponent so he can't turnfight you anymore or is completely disabled by now!
#6 It's damn fast! Use the speed to your advantage!

Edit
The P-63 is an improved version of P-39 so if you have both available you should pick it acordingly!

Have a good war

[Xiola]

Use the damn Lagg3, its there, and its about the only plane if there is no La5, dont worry about the DM zav.

[zav]

Hi M8

Originally Posted by FlyingF

Ok
#1 It turns realy well in high speeds, try and you see
#2 The 37mm cannon is a real killer if you can master and hit with it. Even the darn fockes lose their will to fight after one or two hits.
#3 The synced .50s in the Q-10 series and the wing MGs in the earlier models are great for cripling your opponent - it's not that rare to see 109s pour light or heavy smoke after a brief volley!
#4 It's a very difficult plane to master, so you must train hard to get good results.
#5 I think it's more of a BnZ plane than turning one. So after your first turn you should have damaged your opponent so he can't turnfight you anymore or is completely disabled by now!
#6 It's damn fast! Use the speed to your advantage!

Edit
The P-63 is an improved version of P-39 so if you have both available you should pick it acordingly!

Have a good war

Will try to keep all your advices and think some time later this "blues" will open new threads - about this "ubers" P-39/63...

[FlyingFinn]

Originally Posted by zav

Hi M8

Will try to keep all your advices and think some time later this "blues" will open new threads - about this "ubers" P-39/63...

Hehe, good luck!

One more tip for you: fly some QMBs first and only use the 37mm cannon to practise. Try shooting from dead 6 (that' easy) and from long distances like over 400 meters. If the hit lands the enemy is most likely disabled and is unable to continue the fight.

It's hard to explain but try to ''feel'' the ammo of your aircraft. Try to imagine where the tracerline goes and put your sights there. Hit and boom the enemy is dead
This is what I've been doing ever since IL-2 1.0 came out! I think I recall it was in one of those training tracks for La-5 or Bf-109 in the original version?

[zav]

Hi Finn

Originally Posted by FlyingF

Hehe, good luck!

One more tip for you: fly some QMBs first and only use the 37mm cannon to practise. Try shooting from dead 6 (that' easy) and from long distances like over 400 meters. If the hit lands the enemy is most likely disabled and is unable to continue the fight.

It's hard to explain but try to ''feel'' the ammo of your aircraft. Try to imagine where the tracerline goes and put your sights there. Hit and boom the enemy is dead
This is what I've been doing ever since IL-2 1.0 came out! I think I recall it was in one of those training tracks for La-5 or Bf-109 in the original version?

Last FW (Tunis map) got only one 37-mm shell to his dead six from 500 m
http://www.il2hq.com/Stats/sortiedet...7&playerid=310
Better send me - to which distance setup guns and cannon of P-39???
Becouse in this sortie as u can see only one 37-mm hit was resultative but others a lot of bullets couldn't kill anybody...
Thanks for advices

[FlyingFinn]

Originally Posted by zav

Hi Finn

Last FW (Tunis map) got only one 37-mm shell to his dead six from 500 m
Better send me - to which distance setup guns and cannon of P-39???
Thanks for advices

For long distance sniping it think 300 meters for both MGs and cannons are suitable. Works for me at least

But if you prefer it personal and don't want to waste too much ammo you can set them to 100 meters and teach your enemies why they should run away ASAP

[zav]

Originally Posted by FlyingF

...But if you prefer it personal and don't want to waste too much ammo you can set them to 100 meters and teach your enemies why they should run away ASAP

[Repoker]

I had a really hard time to beat a P39 in my Bf109G6 yesterday afternoon in the map where blues (FW, Bf) have to defend a harbor from red attacks (P40,P47,P39, P38, Spit). It seemed to turn better an run faster than my plane, the only moment I could shoot comfortably was when he stalled after a sustained turn :P
One of the first things I noticed after last patch was the P39 amazing acceleration too.

[JtD]

I haven't flown the P-39 much since 4.02 but the elevator tends to get fairly heavy, so it's not the best B'n'Z craft.

Imho these planes are fairly comparable to the Bf-109 up to 3500 meters, with only minor differences. The Q models are more than a match for a G-6, but the G-2 has some advantages over the N.

Against Fockes you can rely on your good sustained turn and it helps to sit in a plane that can go 750 in a dive. Drag it down, turn, and he'll be heading for base.

Against 109's you best B'n'Z or if necessary use downward turns.

[Yellow 2]

Hi Zav,

I have flown the earlier marks and found them to be slower than a Bf109G2 and Fw190 but probably faster than a Zero. They have good maneuverability but I try not to make extended turns in them. With plenty of E you stand some chance.The 37mm should only be used in close and it is slow firing.

Takeoff is much easier with the tricycle gear but they can bounce if you have too much speed on landing, if you can get it down to 90-95 mph there is much less risk of a bounce.The later version with the increased back armour have poor rearward visability which one reason I don't fly them much.

As with a lot of the aircraft we have, if you fly for the red team, they are fun if you enjoy being outclassed by many of the aircraft available to blue. I suppose the trick is to conduct the fight on your terms not your opponents.

Cheers

[FlyingFinn]

Originally Posted by Yellow 2

The 37mm should only be used in close and it is slow firing.

Bah, you can take targets from over 600 meters with steady arm and cold nerves

It's a howitzer, not a machinegun!

[TigerTalon]

Originally Posted by zav

Hi to all...
After some threads about "uber" DM of LaGG-3 with 23-mm cannon i decided don't use this craft in future(or wait new patch )
But i need real alternative to this "over-gun-powerd" FW's and BF's with MK-108....
Can anybody explain how to use P-39 series???

Whenever I fly blue, P39 is one of the most fearsome opponent in my sight. Especially D-2 version, with 1500hp allison, is a true killer in 1942, being just as fast as A4 down low. However, it does not like the air above some 4k.

It is a very good plane in everything, best in none.

About 37mm gun:

I especially like the 37mm howitzer on full real servers, where you can sneak on opponents, and aim carefully. One hit will most likely put bogey out of fight.

Use your light/heavy mgs to spray opponents, slowing them down or making them turn, then kill him from close distance. I find Mgs usefull especially against FW190s, because of their DM. Slightest scratch usualy means they are out of fight (fuel leak(TM), huge performance loss (TM), uncontrolability due to WingHit(TM)...). However, I find 190 a very tough plane to destroy completely.

Having Bf109 on a tail can be a problem tough... Good pilot will stay with you no matter what.

Ah, and one more thing: compared to russian crates, it dives really well, but lacks climbing.

P63 is a true killer in 1945 IMO. It's M10 37mm cannon has 58 shells. Kingcobra retains energy very well, has a superb zoom climb, reasonable good climb, It is also among fastest prop planes (apart from MustangIII). If you meet Fw190 on a same altitude 1v1, he has few options to stay alive. Fast climbing and 108mortar equipped Bf109K4 can be a problem tough...

Also their ability to ignore oil leak is worth mentioning. It seems that american designers took Spitfires 300gallon oil tank and installed it in cobra too.

[LeadSucker]

Originally Posted by FlyingF

Ok

#1 It turns realy well in high speeds, try and you see
#2 The 37mm cannon is a real killer if you can master and hit with it. Even the darn fockes lose their will to fight after one or two hits.
#3 The synced .50s in the Q-10 series and the wing MGs in the earlier models are great for cripling your opponent - it's not that rare to see 109s pour light or heavy smoke after a brief volley!
#4 It's a very difficult plane to master, so you must train hard to get good results.
#5 I think it's more of a BnZ plane than turning one. So after your first turn you should have damaged your opponent so he can't turnfight you anymore or is completely disabled by now!
#6 It's damn fast! Use the speed to your advantage!

Edit
The P-63 is an improved version of P-39 so if you have both available you should pick it acordingly!

Have a good war

The P-63 is big, the P-39 is small. Very different planes although they look similar.

Besides that I agree with you on everything. The cannon is probably best used for bombers. You can shoot from a certain distance (300m) and a few hits might do the job. The earlier model has lots of guns and is quite dangerous if you manage to get on someones six. Their plane will get crippled fast. I used to use P39 a lot because I thought it looked nice. Now I use different planes...

[BBB_Hyperion]

The P39 is an excellent plane.

P39 N1 (with gunpods)

P39 Q1 better handling less stally
P39 Q10

I will compare it to 109 G2 as it is the most fitting plane and one of the best 109s regarding turn.

What it cant do outturn 109s on slow fight. Il2compare is incorrect here showing a sustained turn performance of a 109 which is not happening on 99 % of the dfs. The 109 uses a parabola like turn to gain best turntime.

The P39 is very good in energy fighting and can use high speed attacks to its advantage when you dont waste too much E on turning inside a 109 you can gain but not in slow speed regime there climb of the 109 will soon gain upper hand.

The P39 offers better control at high speed than the 109 but be carefull to avoid fully backtrimmed 109s on dive you need to extend before pulling up.

The main problems of the P39 are the relative inaccurate front gun and it's bad low alt performance and the instability in some flight conditions.

You need to be close to fire. Only long range luck shots with 50s.

Once you got catched low you will most likely get shoot down but some old tricks sometimes work. Once enemy closing fly that low that you can split s and come out very close to the ground . Your chance here is that control forces on other plane get too high and crash if you noticed enemy slows break the manouever and fly a combat move diagonal to the ground to keep the speed . When the 109 pilot just pulls and rools he can lose his e advantage very fast.(once he has lost and you know it and he know it another 109 appears and interferes lim dt -> 100 % sure dt -> 0 )

While the P39 is a lot easier to fly than in original il2 it is an excellent fighterbomber . In the fighter role alone its lacking high alt performance and its slow speed make it a limited dogfighter but with still some advantages.

[Boemher]

As a player who flies half the time for Red and half the time for Blue do I still fit in to your Blue whiner category zav?

Oh yes I forgot having a distaste for the Lagg3(uber cannon, uber DM, uber FM) qualifies me

P39 is nice new mount zav it has that uber cannon to replace the Vvy-23 and also has infinite engine durability. There will be no more engine quitting on you but then again most Red aircraft have this added benefit. On Kotka map I once made it from Blue base back to Red airfield in La5 once my engine had died by gliding from an altitude of 3500. I even made a wheels down landing.

In uber Fw 190 you would manage 1 1/2 grid spaces before having to bail.

[Love2Vulch]

P-39=Wild

Number one scoring P-39(variants) pilot we got if I'm not mistaken.
Find him, fly around and watch what he does.
I'll be dammed if I can figure it out.

[zav]

Hi.....L2V??? - how u nick in game???

Originally Posted by Love2Vulch

P-39=Wild
Number one scoring P-39(variants) pilot we got if I'm not mistaken.
Find him, fly around and watch what he does.
I'll be dammed if I can figure it out.

I know it but he is from USA and we have different time zones so i can't meet with him

[Love2Vulch]

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